Comments on: Thomas O’Dea, John A. Widtsoe, and the De-Horning Room http://www.juvenileinstructor.org/thomas-odea-john-a-widtsoe-and-the-de-horning-room/ Fri, 10 Feb 2012 00:20:29 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Juvenile Instructor » Mormon Horns 1/7: A Selected Chronology http://www.juvenileinstructor.org/thomas-odea-john-a-widtsoe-and-the-de-horning-room/comment-page-2/#comment-60165 Juvenile Instructor » Mormon Horns 1/7: A Selected Chronology Mon, 01 Feb 2010 08:01:01 +0000 http://www.juvenileinstructor.org/thomas-odea-john-a-widtsoe-and-the-de-horning-room/#comment-60165 [...] that we did not wear horns, or any other monstrous thing, to distinguish ourselves from others” (ht: Justin, SC Taysom, et alia). [1] Joseph, Hyrum, and William Smith also used or recorded conversations involving horns or horn [...] [...] that we did not wear horns, or any other monstrous thing, to distinguish ourselves from others” (ht: Justin, SC Taysom, et alia). [1] Joseph, Hyrum, and William Smith also used or recorded conversations involving horns or horn [...]

]]> By: Ben http://www.juvenileinstructor.org/thomas-odea-john-a-widtsoe-and-the-de-horning-room/comment-page-2/#comment-2885 Ben Thu, 21 Feb 2008 07:17:47 +0000 http://www.juvenileinstructor.org/thomas-odea-john-a-widtsoe-and-the-de-horning-room/#comment-2885 Cicero: Thats funny you should share that story, because that is one of the new classics of Mormon folklore. I have found dozens of those stories in the BYU folklore collection, and most of them coming from the last couple decades. Cicero: Thats funny you should share that story, because that is one of the new classics of Mormon folklore. I have found dozens of those stories in the BYU folklore collection, and most of them coming from the last couple decades.

]]> By: Cicero http://www.juvenileinstructor.org/thomas-odea-john-a-widtsoe-and-the-de-horning-room/comment-page-2/#comment-2883 Cicero Thu, 21 Feb 2008 04:29:36 +0000 http://www.juvenileinstructor.org/thomas-odea-john-a-widtsoe-and-the-de-horning-room/#comment-2883 Mission story time! Oklahoma, Oklahoma City, 1999: My 2nd companion, Elder Argyle told me a story about when he and his trainer (I can't remember his name) were tracking and a woman came to the door. After a short (unproductive) discussion at the door, she hesitantly asked: "Do you really have horns?" Elder Argyle's trainer without hesitation replied: "We sure do! Would you like to feel them?" She admitted that she would, and the Elder bent over to let her run her hands through his hair. "Do you feel them, Do you feel them?" he asked. "No" she replied. "Now don't you feel stupid?" asked Elder Argyle's trainer as he stood up. The woman of course slammed her door on the pair of Elders. Did I mention the Elder Argyle's trainer had a reputation for Bible Bashing and offending people without even trying? Mission story time!

Oklahoma, Oklahoma City, 1999:

My 2nd companion, Elder Argyle told me a story about when he and his trainer (I can’t remember his name) were tracking and a woman came to the door.

After a short (unproductive) discussion at the door, she hesitantly asked: “Do you really have horns?”

Elder Argyle’s trainer without hesitation replied: “We sure do! Would you like to feel them?”

She admitted that she would, and the Elder bent over to let her run her hands through his hair. “Do you feel them, Do you feel them?” he asked.

“No” she replied.

“Now don’t you feel stupid?” asked Elder Argyle’s trainer as he stood up.

The woman of course slammed her door on the pair of Elders.

Did I mention the Elder Argyle’s trainer had a reputation for Bible Bashing and offending people without even trying?

]]> By: Ray http://www.juvenileinstructor.org/thomas-odea-john-a-widtsoe-and-the-de-horning-room/comment-page-2/#comment-2756 Ray Tue, 19 Feb 2008 01:17:25 +0000 http://www.juvenileinstructor.org/thomas-odea-john-a-widtsoe-and-the-de-horning-room/#comment-2756 #10 & #11 - My oldest son was asked by a friend in high school just three years ago if Mormons really had horns at birth. Her mother had told her it was true, because she had heard it directly from her minister. This was in the Cincinnati, Ohio area. #10 & #11 – My oldest son was asked by a friend in high school just three years ago if Mormons really had horns at birth. Her mother had told her it was true, because she had heard it directly from her minister. This was in the Cincinnati, Ohio area.

]]> By: By Common Consent » BCC Zeitcast for February 18 http://www.juvenileinstructor.org/thomas-odea-john-a-widtsoe-and-the-de-horning-room/comment-page-2/#comment-2754 By Common Consent » BCC Zeitcast for February 18 Mon, 18 Feb 2008 22:54:20 +0000 http://www.juvenileinstructor.org/thomas-odea-john-a-widtsoe-and-the-de-horning-room/#comment-2754 [...] Horn-y [...] [...] Horn-y [...]

]]> By: Paul Reeve http://www.juvenileinstructor.org/thomas-odea-john-a-widtsoe-and-the-de-horning-room/comment-page-1/#comment-2627 Paul Reeve Thu, 14 Feb 2008 21:12:04 +0000 http://www.juvenileinstructor.org/thomas-odea-john-a-widtsoe-and-the-de-horning-room/#comment-2627 Great, thanks! Great, thanks!

]]> By: SC Taysom http://www.juvenileinstructor.org/thomas-odea-john-a-widtsoe-and-the-de-horning-room/comment-page-1/#comment-2623 SC Taysom Thu, 14 Feb 2008 21:01:44 +0000 http://www.juvenileinstructor.org/thomas-odea-john-a-widtsoe-and-the-de-horning-room/#comment-2623 In addition to Trachtenberg, you might also take a look at these two that I have noted in my files: Ruth Mellinkoff, <em>The Horned Moses in Medieval Art and Thought</em> (Berkeley 1970); Debra H. Strickland, <em>Saracens, Demons & Jews: Making Monsters in Medieval Art </em>(Princeton 2003). The Strickland book has lots of bibliographic material. In addition to Trachtenberg, you might also take a look at these two that I have noted in my files: Ruth Mellinkoff, The Horned Moses in Medieval Art and Thought (Berkeley 1970); Debra H. Strickland, Saracens, Demons & Jews: Making Monsters in Medieval Art (Princeton 2003). The Strickland book has lots of bibliographic material.

]]> By: Paul Reeve http://www.juvenileinstructor.org/thomas-odea-john-a-widtsoe-and-the-de-horning-room/comment-page-1/#comment-2616 Paul Reeve Thu, 14 Feb 2008 18:47:43 +0000 http://www.juvenileinstructor.org/thomas-odea-john-a-widtsoe-and-the-de-horning-room/#comment-2616 Thanks Justin! Thanks Justin!

]]> By: Justin http://www.juvenileinstructor.org/thomas-odea-john-a-widtsoe-and-the-de-horning-room/comment-page-1/#comment-2599 Justin Thu, 14 Feb 2008 15:46:26 +0000 http://www.juvenileinstructor.org/thomas-odea-john-a-widtsoe-and-the-de-horning-room/#comment-2599 One classic source: Trachtenberg, <em>The Devil and the Jews</em>. One classic source: Trachtenberg, The Devil and the Jews.

]]> By: SC Taysom http://www.juvenileinstructor.org/thomas-odea-john-a-widtsoe-and-the-de-horning-room/comment-page-1/#comment-2596 SC Taysom Thu, 14 Feb 2008 15:04:22 +0000 http://www.juvenileinstructor.org/thomas-odea-john-a-widtsoe-and-the-de-horning-room/#comment-2596 I will think about a post on the subject Paul. I'm not working on anything having to do with the horns issue, I just came across the Widtsoe story while working on another project and thought it was worth sharing. I recently came across something about the medieval Jewish horns subject, but I can't remember where I read it. When I get to the office I will look it up and let you know. I will think about a post on the subject Paul. I’m not working on anything having to do with the horns issue, I just came across the Widtsoe story while working on another project and thought it was worth sharing. I recently came across something about the medieval Jewish horns subject, but I can’t remember where I read it. When I get to the office I will look it up and let you know.

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