Comments on: The University of the City of Nauvoo http://www.juvenileinstructor.org/the-university-of-the-city-of-nauvoo/ Fri, 10 Feb 2012 00:20:29 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Juvenile Instructor » From the Archives: Posts You Might Have Missed, June-August 2008 http://www.juvenileinstructor.org/the-university-of-the-city-of-nauvoo/comment-page-2/#comment-40242 Juvenile Instructor » From the Archives: Posts You Might Have Missed, June-August 2008 Fri, 03 Jul 2009 16:21:23 +0000 http://www.juvenileinstructor.org/the-university-of-the-city-of-nauvoo/#comment-40242 [...] The University of the City of Nauvoo [...] [...] The University of the City of Nauvoo [...]

]]> By: Ben http://www.juvenileinstructor.org/the-university-of-the-city-of-nauvoo/comment-page-2/#comment-25548 Ben Wed, 31 Dec 2008 04:34:27 +0000 http://www.juvenileinstructor.org/the-university-of-the-city-of-nauvoo/#comment-25548 I'm glad you still feel so optimistic about the venture, Chris ;) Thanks for weighing in, Randy. I think you bring up some great points. While students planning on going on to a JD, MD, MA, or PhD may not be attracted to such a school, the majority of college students are not looking for a graduate degree and would really appreciate a school like NU is rounding out to be. I haven't talked to the NU folk in a couple of weeks, but all I have heard the last few months have been positive: they have gotten a lot of land donated to them, their faculty is coming together nicely, and they have been receiving better-than-expected interest. Their website is currently down because they are waiting for some final paperwork with the state before they can become completely official. So far, Dr. Ivie has taken great caution in what he has done. It's still <em>very</em> early, but things are still looking bright. I’m glad you still feel so optimistic about the venture, Chris ;)

Thanks for weighing in, Randy. I think you bring up some great points. While students planning on going on to a JD, MD, MA, or PhD may not be attracted to such a school, the majority of college students are not looking for a graduate degree and would really appreciate a school like NU is rounding out to be.

I haven’t talked to the NU folk in a couple of weeks, but all I have heard the last few months have been positive: they have gotten a lot of land donated to them, their faculty is coming together nicely, and they have been receiving better-than-expected interest. Their website is currently down because they are waiting for some final paperwork with the state before they can become completely official. So far, Dr. Ivie has taken great caution in what he has done.

It’s still very early, but things are still looking bright.

]]> By: Christopher http://www.juvenileinstructor.org/the-university-of-the-city-of-nauvoo/comment-page-1/#comment-25544 Christopher Wed, 31 Dec 2008 04:06:11 +0000 http://www.juvenileinstructor.org/the-university-of-the-city-of-nauvoo/#comment-25544 <em>Likewise, name recognition doesn’t really amount to much unless you are getting a J.D. or becoming a M.D.</em> Or an MA. Or a PhD. Or any other graduate degree. <em>The students who will be attending NU will not be too worried about name recognition.</em> Except, of course, for the ones getting a J.D. Or an M.D. Or a MA. Or a PhD. Or any other graduate degree. <em>Last month, WGU was featured in Time magazine.</em> For every small start-up college that gets featured by Time, I'd be willing to bet there is 20 that don't survive. Likewise, name recognition doesn’t really amount to much unless you are getting a J.D. or becoming a M.D.

Or an MA. Or a PhD. Or any other graduate degree.

The students who will be attending NU will not be too worried about name recognition.

Except, of course, for the ones getting a J.D. Or an M.D. Or a MA. Or a PhD. Or any other graduate degree.

Last month, WGU was featured in Time magazine.

For every small start-up college that gets featured by Time, I’d be willing to bet there is 20 that don’t survive.

]]> By: Randy http://www.juvenileinstructor.org/the-university-of-the-city-of-nauvoo/comment-page-1/#comment-25538 Randy Wed, 31 Dec 2008 03:47:14 +0000 http://www.juvenileinstructor.org/the-university-of-the-city-of-nauvoo/#comment-25538 I am coming into this discussion a little late. I wish this venture well. As a six year employee of Western Governors University I am not in the least bit worried about Nauvoo University's accreditation battle. All new schools face that. I doubt North Central will even care much about the motives of the owners. They could approach the accrediting body with their testimonies on their sleeves and it wouldn't matter one way or the other. The representatives from North Central would simply say, "Great, touching! Now what percentage of your instructors have PhD's, Masters, etc? Who develops your courses and what approach do they take, etc?" For reasons I won't get into now, they are lucky to be in the North Central region. Likewise, name recognition doesn't really amount to much unless you are getting a J.D. or becoming a M.D. Six years ago, my current employer was almost completely unknown. Last month, WGU was featured in Time magazine. It only comes with time and exposure and some well known graduates like the V.P. of NASA. Nauvoo University will get there too. The students who will be attending NU will not be too worried about name recognition. Funding will be a major obstacle. Good luck with that right now. I am coming into this discussion a little late. I wish this venture well. As a six year employee of Western Governors University I am not in the least bit worried about Nauvoo University’s accreditation battle. All new schools face that. I doubt North Central will even care much about the motives of the owners. They could approach the accrediting body with their testimonies on their sleeves and it wouldn’t matter one way or the other. The representatives from North Central would simply say, “Great, touching! Now what percentage of your instructors have PhD’s, Masters, etc? Who develops your courses and what approach do they take, etc?” For reasons I won’t get into now, they are lucky to be in the North Central region.

Likewise, name recognition doesn’t really amount to much unless you are getting a J.D. or becoming a M.D. Six years ago, my current employer was almost completely unknown. Last month, WGU was featured in Time magazine. It only comes with time and exposure and some well known graduates like the V.P. of NASA. Nauvoo University will get there too. The students who will be attending NU will not be too worried about name recognition.

Funding will be a major obstacle. Good luck with that right now.

]]> By: Ben http://www.juvenileinstructor.org/the-university-of-the-city-of-nauvoo/comment-page-1/#comment-10949 Ben Thu, 24 Jul 2008 15:31:15 +0000 http://www.juvenileinstructor.org/the-university-of-the-city-of-nauvoo/#comment-10949 Thanks for digging that up and clarifying the "study abroad" vs. "travel study" labels, RG. Thanks for digging that up and clarifying the “study abroad” vs. “travel study” labels, RG.

]]> By: RG http://www.juvenileinstructor.org/the-university-of-the-city-of-nauvoo/comment-page-1/#comment-10943 RG Thu, 24 Jul 2008 12:27:06 +0000 http://www.juvenileinstructor.org/the-university-of-the-city-of-nauvoo/#comment-10943 After poking around online my sense is that "study abroad" programs through BYU have actually increased in number (at least there are many more programs offered now then when I was a student there). The related arm of "BYU Travel Study", which was administered through Continuing Education, however was closed down in 2004. They administered the Nauvoo and Jerusalem programs (as well as a series of tours). It seems that they still handle the Jerusalem program, or at least the main page for the Jerusalem program is still hosted off of their site. This is also why the Jerusalem Center programs are not listed off of the Kennedy Center's website where all the other study abroad programs are. I'm not sure what the original distinction between "study abroad" and "Travel Study" were, does anyone have an idea? This Desert News article explains the closing of BYU Travel Study, but the justification has no bearing on the Nauvoo program. http://deseretnews.com/dn/view/0,1249,595069913,00.html After poking around online my sense is that “study abroad” programs through BYU have actually increased in number (at least there are many more programs offered now then when I was a student there).

The related arm of “BYU Travel Study”, which was administered through Continuing Education, however was closed down in 2004. They administered the Nauvoo and Jerusalem programs (as well as a series of tours). It seems that they still handle the Jerusalem program, or at least the main page for the Jerusalem program is still hosted off of their site. This is also why the Jerusalem Center programs are not listed off of the Kennedy Center’s website where all the other study abroad programs are.

I’m not sure what the original distinction between “study abroad” and “Travel Study” were, does anyone have an idea?

This Desert News article explains the closing of BYU Travel Study, but the justification has no bearing on the Nauvoo program.

http://deseretnews.com/dn/view/0,1249,595069913,00.html

]]> By: Ben http://www.juvenileinstructor.org/the-university-of-the-city-of-nauvoo/comment-page-1/#comment-10930 Ben Thu, 24 Jul 2008 04:46:34 +0000 http://www.juvenileinstructor.org/the-university-of-the-city-of-nauvoo/#comment-10930 RG: Not sure. That is just what the commissioner of education told Ivie when he was trying to set up the Nauvoo program again. Joel: My info came from Pres. Hinckley's grandson, so while still not official, it pulls a little bit of weight :) RG: Not sure. That is just what the commissioner of education told Ivie when he was trying to set up the Nauvoo program again.

Joel: My info came from Pres. Hinckley’s grandson, so while still not official, it pulls a little bit of weight :)

]]> By: RG http://www.juvenileinstructor.org/the-university-of-the-city-of-nauvoo/comment-page-1/#comment-10928 RG Thu, 24 Jul 2008 04:04:27 +0000 http://www.juvenileinstructor.org/the-university-of-the-city-of-nauvoo/#comment-10928 What's this about the church wanting to stop study-abroad programs? What’s this about the church wanting to stop study-abroad programs?

]]> By: Joel http://www.juvenileinstructor.org/the-university-of-the-city-of-nauvoo/comment-page-1/#comment-10925 Joel Thu, 24 Jul 2008 03:06:50 +0000 http://www.juvenileinstructor.org/the-university-of-the-city-of-nauvoo/#comment-10925 I have heard the same things about the Nauvoo buildings as Ben. I heard them from missionaries in Nauvoo. That doesn't mean that they are 100% true, but I have no reason to disbelieve them either. I have heard the same things about the Nauvoo buildings as Ben. I heard them from missionaries in Nauvoo. That doesn’t mean that they are 100% true, but I have no reason to disbelieve them either.

]]> By: Ben http://www.juvenileinstructor.org/the-university-of-the-city-of-nauvoo/comment-page-1/#comment-10924 Ben Thu, 24 Jul 2008 02:36:21 +0000 http://www.juvenileinstructor.org/the-university-of-the-city-of-nauvoo/#comment-10924 RG: There are several possible reasons the Church stopped the BYU semester problem. First, the building was REALLY run down and had many, many problems. Second, and probably most reasonable, the Church has been wanting to stop "study-abroad" programs in all but a few cases. Also, I have heard from a reasonable source that Pres. Hinckley didn't like how the Joseph Smith Academy blocked the view of the river from the temple. They have proposed the idea of building a new set of dorms to house Nauvoo Pageant people as well as an auditorium for various functions, but potential sites and timeframes have not come close to being settled (as far as I know, anyway). RG: There are several possible reasons the Church stopped the BYU semester problem. First, the building was REALLY run down and had many, many problems. Second, and probably most reasonable, the Church has been wanting to stop “study-abroad” programs in all but a few cases.

Also, I have heard from a reasonable source that Pres. Hinckley didn’t like how the Joseph Smith Academy blocked the view of the river from the temple.

They have proposed the idea of building a new set of dorms to house Nauvoo Pageant people as well as an auditorium for various functions, but potential sites and timeframes have not come close to being settled (as far as I know, anyway).

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