Comments on: The Mormon Justification for the Second Boer War http://www.juvenileinstructor.org/the-mormon-justification-for-the-second-boer-war/ Fri, 12 Mar 2010 09:47:07 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 By: Juvenile Instructor » Mormons and the Closing of the American Frontier http://www.juvenileinstructor.org/the-mormon-justification-for-the-second-boer-war/comment-page-1/#comment-8994 Juvenile Instructor » Mormons and the Closing of the American Frontier Wed, 18 Jun 2008 10:27:18 +0000 http://www.juvenileinstructor.org/the-mormon-justification-for-the-second-boer-war/#comment-8994 [...] I described in my previous post, the Second Boer War occasioned several references to Mormonism using clear conquest language. [...] [...] I described in my previous post, the Second Boer War occasioned several references to Mormonism using clear conquest language. [...]

]]> By: Ardis E. Parshall http://www.juvenileinstructor.org/the-mormon-justification-for-the-second-boer-war/comment-page-1/#comment-8953 Ardis E. Parshall Tue, 17 Jun 2008 14:16:04 +0000 http://www.juvenileinstructor.org/the-mormon-justification-for-the-second-boer-war/#comment-8953 Give it a rest, Brown. It's too much effort for you, obviously. [Admin. Note: Ardis' comment is in response to a pontificating and pompous comment by MLBrown, who has now been banned from the site. Carry on.] Give it a rest, Brown. It’s too much effort for you, obviously.

[Admin. Note: Ardis' comment is in response to a pontificating and pompous comment by MLBrown, who has now been banned from the site. Carry on.]

]]> By: Clark http://www.juvenileinstructor.org/the-mormon-justification-for-the-second-boer-war/comment-page-1/#comment-8945 Clark Tue, 17 Jun 2008 05:09:40 +0000 http://www.juvenileinstructor.org/the-mormon-justification-for-the-second-boer-war/#comment-8945 Fascinating. I'd never have thought of making that connection. One could argue though that this is true of any group that tries to leave society alone. Society is rarely accepting of this. The Amish, Hutterites and so forth survived mainly by not having a massive area they occupied and by staying (for the most part) out of the way of the rich and powerful. Fascinating. I’d never have thought of making that connection. One could argue though that this is true of any group that tries to leave society alone. Society is rarely accepting of this. The Amish, Hutterites and so forth survived mainly by not having a massive area they occupied and by staying (for the most part) out of the way of the rich and powerful.

]]> By: Edje http://www.juvenileinstructor.org/the-mormon-justification-for-the-second-boer-war/comment-page-1/#comment-8943 Edje Tue, 17 Jun 2008 04:58:43 +0000 http://www.juvenileinstructor.org/the-mormon-justification-for-the-second-boer-war/#comment-8943 Steve, Kevin, David, Ardis, Chris, and Joel: Thanks for the kind words. David: A component of the Turnerian turn is the topic of my next post. Joel: I agree that the analogy only goes so far. Steve, Kevin, David, Ardis, Chris, and Joel: Thanks for the kind words.

David: A component of the Turnerian turn is the topic of my next post.

Joel: I agree that the analogy only goes so far.

]]> By: Joel http://www.juvenileinstructor.org/the-mormon-justification-for-the-second-boer-war/comment-page-1/#comment-8939 Joel Tue, 17 Jun 2008 03:10:06 +0000 http://www.juvenileinstructor.org/the-mormon-justification-for-the-second-boer-war/#comment-8939 Edje, I really enjoyed this provocative analysis. I had never thought of the Boers and Mormons in such a similar imperial context. As someone who examines the international context of American imperialism, I find it fascinating that a journalist from the NYT would utilize the Mormon example to help Americans try to understand the Boer War. This reminds me a little of Paul Kramer's essay in the JAH that tracked the inter-imperial transmission of imperial ideas between England and the United States, though your treatment shows that Americans also drew on their own domestic experiences to help understand British Imperialism. I think that the comparison probably works better on rhetorical level than it might on a more practical realm. The violence inflicted upon the Boers was much more profound than the Mormons faced. I also think that the racial picture in South Africa made the British situation in South Africa much more precarious than the U.S. situation with the Mormons. I look forward to more of your analysis! Edje,

I really enjoyed this provocative analysis. I had never thought of the Boers and Mormons in such a similar imperial context. As someone who examines the international context of American imperialism, I find it fascinating that a journalist from the NYT would utilize the Mormon example to help Americans try to understand the Boer War. This reminds me a little of Paul Kramer’s essay in the JAH that tracked the inter-imperial transmission of imperial ideas between England and the United States, though your treatment shows that Americans also drew on their own domestic experiences to help understand British Imperialism. I think that the comparison probably works better on rhetorical level than it might on a more practical realm. The violence inflicted upon the Boers was much more profound than the Mormons faced. I also think that the racial picture in South Africa made the British situation in South Africa much more precarious than the U.S. situation with the Mormons. I look forward to more of your analysis!

]]> By: Christopher http://www.juvenileinstructor.org/the-mormon-justification-for-the-second-boer-war/comment-page-1/#comment-8938 Christopher Tue, 17 Jun 2008 01:20:33 +0000 http://www.juvenileinstructor.org/the-mormon-justification-for-the-second-boer-war/#comment-8938 That you actually situated Mormonism within a South African context alone makes your guest blogging stint a success. But your in-depth analysis and insightful interpretation is to be admired even more. Thanks, Edje. I'm intrigued by the notion of "the Mormon problem" as a part of American imperialism, and think the topic deserves further investigation. That you actually situated Mormonism within a South African context alone makes your guest blogging stint a success. But your in-depth analysis and insightful interpretation is to be admired even more. Thanks, Edje.

I’m intrigued by the notion of “the Mormon problem” as a part of American imperialism, and think the topic deserves further investigation.

]]> By: Ardis E. Parshall http://www.juvenileinstructor.org/the-mormon-justification-for-the-second-boer-war/comment-page-1/#comment-8936 Ardis E. Parshall Tue, 17 Jun 2008 00:25:56 +0000 http://www.juvenileinstructor.org/the-mormon-justification-for-the-second-boer-war/#comment-8936 A star is born. This is wonderful stuff, Edje. A star is born. This is wonderful stuff, Edje.

]]> By: David G. http://www.juvenileinstructor.org/the-mormon-justification-for-the-second-boer-war/comment-page-1/#comment-8930 David G. Mon, 16 Jun 2008 22:33:03 +0000 http://www.juvenileinstructor.org/the-mormon-justification-for-the-second-boer-war/#comment-8930 Yeah, this is great stuff, Edje. You're right that there's a shift here from seeing the Mormon trek as an obstacle to Manifesto Destiny in the late 19th century to being the ultimate Turnerians in the early 20th century. There's a lot to chew on here. Yeah, this is great stuff, Edje. You’re right that there’s a shift here from seeing the Mormon trek as an obstacle to Manifesto Destiny in the late 19th century to being the ultimate Turnerians in the early 20th century. There’s a lot to chew on here.

]]> By: kevinf http://www.juvenileinstructor.org/the-mormon-justification-for-the-second-boer-war/comment-page-1/#comment-8928 kevinf Mon, 16 Jun 2008 22:12:45 +0000 http://www.juvenileinstructor.org/the-mormon-justification-for-the-second-boer-war/#comment-8928 Great work and insight, Edje. You've set a pretty high bar with your first post here. Keep it up. Great work and insight, Edje. You’ve set a pretty high bar with your first post here. Keep it up.

]]> By: Steve Evans http://www.juvenileinstructor.org/the-mormon-justification-for-the-second-boer-war/comment-page-1/#comment-8927 Steve Evans Mon, 16 Jun 2008 22:03:10 +0000 http://www.juvenileinstructor.org/the-mormon-justification-for-the-second-boer-war/#comment-8927 A great start -- this is totally new and refreshing. Thanks Edje. A great start — this is totally new and refreshing. Thanks Edje.

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