Comments on: The future of Mormon history http://www.juvenileinstructor.org/the-future-of-mormon-history/ Sun, 14 Mar 2010 15:58:09 -0400 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 By: Bob http://www.juvenileinstructor.org/the-future-of-mormon-history/comment-page-1/#comment-12076 Bob Wed, 20 Aug 2008 22:24:56 +0000 http://www.juvenileinstructor.org/the-future-of-mormon-history/#comment-12076 #32: If your numbers are right, 6,000 left from Nauvoo. "Between 1847 and 1868, (railroad), Mormon emigrants traveled on the pioneer trail in more than 250 companies departing from various outfitting places. These companies in which about 60,000 LDS Church members...." #32: If your numbers are right, 6,000 left from Nauvoo.
“Between 1847 and 1868, (railroad), Mormon emigrants traveled on the pioneer trail in more than 250 companies departing from various outfitting places. These companies in which about 60,000 LDS Church members….”

]]> By: BruceC http://www.juvenileinstructor.org/the-future-of-mormon-history/comment-page-1/#comment-12074 BruceC Wed, 20 Aug 2008 21:31:03 +0000 http://www.juvenileinstructor.org/the-future-of-mormon-history/#comment-12074 I have heard that strictly by numbers, Brigham Young only attracted half of the Saints from Nauvoo. That the rest split up between the various groups. The story goes that the Strangites were originally the second largest, but by the time the RLDS was formed the Strangites were down to almost nothing. Anyone have verifiable numbers and dates on the split? I have heard that strictly by numbers, Brigham Young only attracted half of the Saints from Nauvoo. That the rest split up between the various groups. The story goes that the Strangites were originally the second largest, but by the time the RLDS was formed the Strangites were down to almost nothing.

Anyone have verifiable numbers and dates on the split?

]]> By: Bob http://www.juvenileinstructor.org/the-future-of-mormon-history/comment-page-1/#comment-12066 Bob Wed, 20 Aug 2008 18:51:41 +0000 http://www.juvenileinstructor.org/the-future-of-mormon-history/#comment-12066 #30: I would like to know, say by 1865, How many Deseret Mormons were even from Nauvoo. A (much?) larger number was from Europe (?) There is still a lot of Folklore about the 19th Century settling of the Utah that need reworking. It is unclear to me: Is there a "Homeland"? I don't think most Mormons have lived in Utah, even if the Church Headquarters is there. #30: I would like to know, say by 1865, How many Deseret Mormons were even from Nauvoo. A (much?) larger number was from Europe (?) There is still a lot of Folklore about the 19th Century settling of the Utah that need reworking.
It is unclear to me: Is there a “Homeland”? I don’t think most Mormons have lived in Utah, even if the Church Headquarters is there.

]]> By: BruceC http://www.juvenileinstructor.org/the-future-of-mormon-history/comment-page-1/#comment-12060 BruceC Wed, 20 Aug 2008 17:13:03 +0000 http://www.juvenileinstructor.org/the-future-of-mormon-history/#comment-12060 Of course, the Mormon Diaspora could be defined in other ways. The scattering of Mormons after Nauvoo is more like a diaspora than the outmigration following WWII. While it is true that "most" followed BY to Utah, some went to Texas, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, Iowa, or back to Missouri. While some of these groups coalesced into what would become the CoC, some of these groups still have little to do with each other. This disorganized scattering has more in common with Jewish or African diasporas that anything else. The outmigration is more like an expanding of the homeland. Already Mormonism is the second largest denomination in several western states. Of course, the Mormon Diaspora could be defined in other ways. The scattering of Mormons after Nauvoo is more like a diaspora than the outmigration following WWII. While it is true that “most” followed BY to Utah, some went to Texas, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, Iowa, or back to Missouri. While some of these groups coalesced into what would become the CoC, some of these groups still have little to do with each other. This disorganized scattering has more in common with Jewish or African diasporas that anything else.
The outmigration is more like an expanding of the homeland. Already Mormonism is the second largest denomination in several western states.

]]> By: BruceC http://www.juvenileinstructor.org/the-future-of-mormon-history/comment-page-1/#comment-12059 BruceC Wed, 20 Aug 2008 17:00:04 +0000 http://www.juvenileinstructor.org/the-future-of-mormon-history/#comment-12059 Re #28 Bob - Juanita Brooks wrote an essay entitled "The Scattering of the Gathered and the Gathering of the Scattered: The Mormon Diaspora in the Years after World War II" in 1987. But I have yet to locate a copy. <em>Humor and Pathos: Stories of the Mormon Diaspora </em>by William Mulder, Dialogue: A Journal of Mormon Thought 24.4 (Winter 1991): 176-178 Some reviewers claim that <em>Sojourner in the Promised Land</em> by Jann Shipps, covers the Mormon Diaspora. I haven't read it yet. So little time.... An <a href="http://www.meridianmagazine.com/people/041209trail.html" rel="nofollow">article</a> at Median Magagzine describes the Outmigration Leadership Project run by the Marriott Graduate School of Management and there is this call for authors... <a href="http://www.koffordbooks.com/aboutus.shtml" rel="nofollow">http://www.koffordbooks.com/aboutus.shtml</a> So maybe more is on the horizon... Re #28
Bob -
Juanita Brooks wrote an essay entitled “The Scattering of the Gathered and the Gathering of the Scattered: The Mormon Diaspora in the Years after World War II” in 1987. But I have yet to locate a copy.

Humor and Pathos: Stories of the Mormon Diaspora by William Mulder, Dialogue: A Journal of Mormon Thought 24.4 (Winter 1991): 176-178

Some reviewers claim that Sojourner in the Promised Land by Jann Shipps, covers the Mormon Diaspora. I haven’t read it yet. So little time….

An article at Median Magagzine describes the Outmigration Leadership Project run by the Marriott Graduate School of Management

and there is this call for authors…
http://www.koffordbooks.com/aboutus.shtml

So maybe more is on the horizon…

]]> By: Best of the Week 6: Academic LDS : Mormon Metaphysics http://www.juvenileinstructor.org/the-future-of-mormon-history/comment-page-1/#comment-11988 Best of the Week 6: Academic LDS : Mormon Metaphysics Tue, 19 Aug 2008 04:57:08 +0000 http://www.juvenileinstructor.org/the-future-of-mormon-history/#comment-11988 [...] has up an interesting discussion of what the future of Mormon history will be. I think everyone agreed that there’s a lot to be written about 20th century [...] [...] has up an interesting discussion of what the future of Mormon history will be. I think everyone agreed that there’s a lot to be written about 20th century [...]

]]> By: Bob http://www.juvenileinstructor.org/the-future-of-mormon-history/comment-page-1/#comment-11967 Bob Mon, 18 Aug 2008 18:21:19 +0000 http://www.juvenileinstructor.org/the-future-of-mormon-history/#comment-11967 #27: "Oh I'm packin' my grip and I'm leaving today. cause I'm taking a trip California Way.... (The San Fernando Valley Song, 1943) I know of many reasons Mormons left Utah for California, but it should also be remembered this 'movement' was not limited to Mormons. But you are right, (others help!), I know little of Church material or books that take this on. #27: “Oh I’m packin’ my grip and I’m leaving today.
cause I’m taking a trip California Way….
(The San Fernando Valley Song, 1943)
I know of many reasons Mormons left Utah for California, but it should also be remembered this ‘movement’ was not limited to Mormons.
But you are right, (others help!), I know little of Church material or books that take this on.

]]> By: BruceC http://www.juvenileinstructor.org/the-future-of-mormon-history/comment-page-1/#comment-11962 BruceC Mon, 18 Aug 2008 16:40:16 +0000 http://www.juvenileinstructor.org/the-future-of-mormon-history/#comment-11962 I have been fascinated by Mormon outmigration from Utah, being a product of my parents choice to leave in the 1950's. I have seen a few efforts to document causes and individual stories. But no general treatment of the issue. From what you're saying I probably won't find much in the way of publishe material. I have been fascinated by Mormon outmigration from Utah, being a product of my parents choice to leave in the 1950’s. I have seen a few efforts to document causes and individual stories. But no general treatment of the issue. From what you’re saying I probably won’t find much in the way of publishe material.

]]> By: Bob http://www.juvenileinstructor.org/the-future-of-mormon-history/comment-page-1/#comment-11901 Bob Sun, 17 Aug 2008 06:27:45 +0000 http://www.juvenileinstructor.org/the-future-of-mormon-history/#comment-11901 #25: I hope you are right that Mormons are open to Mormon history being tied closely American history. But, I have my doubts they are ready for 'context', over 'faith promoting'. #25: I hope you are right that Mormons are open to Mormon history being tied closely American history. But, I have my doubts they are ready for ‘context’, over ‘faith promoting’.

]]> By: Sterling http://www.juvenileinstructor.org/the-future-of-mormon-history/comment-page-1/#comment-11898 Sterling Sun, 17 Aug 2008 03:31:20 +0000 http://www.juvenileinstructor.org/the-future-of-mormon-history/#comment-11898 Bob - That is the $64,000 question. Do Mormons have their own history? Yes. Is Mormon history part of U.S. history? It depends on who you ask. I suspect that Mormon historians like to think that there should be more Mormons in the written histories of the United States. I think it is great that you include the railroad, Great Depression, and World War II in your family history. Historians call this context. Mormons will understand their own history better as they place it within the larger stories of the U.S. history. And the opposite is also true. Bob – That is the $64,000 question. Do Mormons have their own history? Yes. Is Mormon history part of U.S. history? It depends on who you ask. I suspect that Mormon historians like to think that there should be more Mormons in the written histories of the United States.

I think it is great that you include the railroad, Great Depression, and World War II in your family history. Historians call this context. Mormons will understand their own history better as they place it within the larger stories of the U.S. history. And the opposite is also true.

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