Comments on: “The First Methodist Sermon … in the Mormon Temple,”: Religious Activity in Post-Mormon Nauvoo http://www.juvenileinstructor.org/the-first-methodist-sermon-in-the-mormon-temple-religious-activity-in-post-mormon-nauvoo/ Thu, 20 Nov 2008 22:34:07 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.3.2 By: Best of the Week 3: Academic LDS : Mormon Metaphysics http://www.juvenileinstructor.org/the-first-methodist-sermon-in-the-mormon-temple-religious-activity-in-post-mormon-nauvoo/#comment-9112 Best of the Week 3: Academic LDS : Mormon Metaphysics Mon, 23 Jun 2008 02:24:18 +0000 http://www.juvenileinstructor.org/the-first-methodist-sermon-in-the-mormon-temple-religious-activity-in-post-mormon-nauvoo/#comment-9112 [...] Juvenile Instructor there were a ton of great posts the past two weeks. One was on Non-Mormon religious activity in Nauvoo in the years following the Mormon diaspora. There was a discussion comparing Evangelical and Mormon [...] […] Juvenile Instructor there were a ton of great posts the past two weeks. One was on Non-Mormon religious activity in Nauvoo in the years following the Mormon diaspora. There was a discussion comparing Evangelical and Mormon […]

]]> By: Rick Grunder http://www.juvenileinstructor.org/the-first-methodist-sermon-in-the-mormon-temple-religious-activity-in-post-mormon-nauvoo/#comment-8611 Rick Grunder Thu, 12 Jun 2008 02:35:44 +0000 http://www.juvenileinstructor.org/the-first-methodist-sermon-in-the-mormon-temple-religious-activity-in-post-mormon-nauvoo/#comment-8611 Like many "Mormon" terms, "Zion" was used heavily by a number of early nineteenth-century Protestant denominations. The example below comes from the first Shaker hymnal . . . <blockquote>Establish'd in the latter days, On mountains of eternal praise, Shall be the house which God will raise, By Judah's holy Lion; And many nations there shall come, The lame and blind, the deaf and dumb, Shall find an everlasting home, And praise the Lord in Zion.</blockquote> —[<strong>Seth Youngs Wells, compiler</strong>] <em>MILLENNIAL PRAISES, Containing A Collection of Gospel Hymns, in Four Parts; Adapted to the Day of Christ's Second Appearing. Composed for the Use of His People </em>(Hancock [Massachusetts]: Printed by Josiah Tallcott, Junior, 1813), p. 265, Hymn IV:XXV, "Micah's Prophesy." Like many “Mormon” terms, “Zion” was used heavily by a number of early nineteenth-century Protestant denominations. The example below comes from the first Shaker hymnal . . .

Establish’d in the latter days,
On mountains of eternal praise,
Shall be the house which God will raise,
By Judah’s holy Lion;
And many nations there shall come,
The lame and blind, the deaf and dumb,
Shall find an everlasting home,
And praise the Lord in Zion.

—[Seth Youngs Wells, compiler] MILLENNIAL PRAISES, Containing A Collection of Gospel Hymns, in Four Parts; Adapted to the Day of Christ’s Second Appearing. Composed for the Use of His People (Hancock [Massachusetts]: Printed by Josiah Tallcott, Junior, 1813), p. 265, Hymn IV:XXV, “Micah’s Prophesy.”

]]> By: Christopher http://www.juvenileinstructor.org/the-first-methodist-sermon-in-the-mormon-temple-religious-activity-in-post-mormon-nauvoo/#comment-8599 Christopher Wed, 11 Jun 2008 22:25:44 +0000 http://www.juvenileinstructor.org/the-first-methodist-sermon-in-the-mormon-temple-religious-activity-in-post-mormon-nauvoo/#comment-8599 Ardis and Steve, I'm sure you're right. Along those lines, Worthington mentions that the MEC got a great deal on the "Musick Hall," which, according to him, the trustees were trying to sell for $1200-$1500, and for which the Methodists only paid $310 (a price confirmed by Nauvoo Restoration, Inc.'s records, according to Kimball). David, I had the same thought. Coffinberry, Methodists of the antebellum era often referred to themselves as "Israel" and "Zion," as did other evangelical groups of the day. Ardis and Steve, I’m sure you’re right. Along those lines, Worthington mentions that the MEC got a great deal on the “Musick Hall,” which, according to him, the trustees were trying to sell for $1200-$1500, and for which the Methodists only paid $310 (a price confirmed by Nauvoo Restoration, Inc.’s records, according to Kimball).

David, I had the same thought.

Coffinberry, Methodists of the antebellum era often referred to themselves as “Israel” and “Zion,” as did other evangelical groups of the day.

]]> By: Coffinberry http://www.juvenileinstructor.org/the-first-methodist-sermon-in-the-mormon-temple-religious-activity-in-post-mormon-nauvoo/#comment-8594 Coffinberry Wed, 11 Jun 2008 21:45:57 +0000 http://www.juvenileinstructor.org/the-first-methodist-sermon-in-the-mormon-temple-religious-activity-in-post-mormon-nauvoo/#comment-8594 Is anyone doing or know of or interested in researching the interaction of departing Mormons with their Mennonite neighbors to the west in Lee County? There's an enigmatic death (of genealogical significance to me) recorded among the Mennonites during this time period and attributed to Mormons. I've long wanted to learn more about this reported murder, but don't much know where to begin. I find it interesting that the more 'normal' religions are there soon after, but eventually more unusual groups (like the Icarians) come later. Something about the location, ambiance, lingering spirits perhaps? The other thing I notice about this letter is the commonality of language it uses. I mean, it refers to "Zion" and "Mission Field" and other terms we (perhaps ethnocentrically?) consider uniquely Mormon. Did the language we use today come from more commonly used terms back in Nauvoo, and the westward exodus acted as a kind of linguistic branching that isolated us from eventual evolution of idiom, or was the writer of the letter mocking terms that were already markers for Mormonism? Is anyone doing or know of or interested in researching the interaction of departing Mormons with their Mennonite neighbors to the west in Lee County? There’s an enigmatic death (of genealogical significance to me) recorded among the Mennonites during this time period and attributed to Mormons. I’ve long wanted to learn more about this reported murder, but don’t much know where to begin.

I find it interesting that the more ‘normal’ religions are there soon after, but eventually more unusual groups (like the Icarians) come later. Something about the location, ambiance, lingering spirits perhaps?

The other thing I notice about this letter is the commonality of language it uses. I mean, it refers to “Zion” and “Mission Field” and other terms we (perhaps ethnocentrically?) consider uniquely Mormon. Did the language we use today come from more commonly used terms back in Nauvoo, and the westward exodus acted as a kind of linguistic branching that isolated us from eventual evolution of idiom, or was the writer of the letter mocking terms that were already markers for Mormonism?

]]> By: SC Taysom http://www.juvenileinstructor.org/the-first-methodist-sermon-in-the-mormon-temple-religious-activity-in-post-mormon-nauvoo/#comment-8592 SC Taysom Wed, 11 Jun 2008 21:23:51 +0000 http://www.juvenileinstructor.org/the-first-methodist-sermon-in-the-mormon-temple-religious-activity-in-post-mormon-nauvoo/#comment-8592 I am with Ardis on this one. This had to be part of the effort to unload the temple and raise some much-needed cash. I am with Ardis on this one. This had to be part of the effort to unload the temple and raise some much-needed cash.

]]> By: David G. http://www.juvenileinstructor.org/the-first-methodist-sermon-in-the-mormon-temple-religious-activity-in-post-mormon-nauvoo/#comment-8587 David G. Wed, 11 Jun 2008 20:35:04 +0000 http://www.juvenileinstructor.org/the-first-methodist-sermon-in-the-mormon-temple-religious-activity-in-post-mormon-nauvoo/#comment-8587 <blockquote>We trust all who are friendly to Missions will aid us by their fervent prayers, that Nauvoo may become as notorious for morality and piety as it has been for wickedness and blsphemy.</blockquote> I find it interesting that they don't try to change the name of Nauvoo in this makeover. Not far from Nauvoo there was a little town called Ramus that had a substantial Mormon population prior to the exodus. After the Mormons left, the non-Mormon residents changed the town's name to Webster (presumably after Daniel Webster). That's in Susan Rugh's excellent work on Hancock County.

We trust all who are friendly to Missions will aid us by their fervent prayers, that Nauvoo may become as notorious for morality and piety as it has been for wickedness and blsphemy.

I find it interesting that they don’t try to change the name of Nauvoo in this makeover. Not far from Nauvoo there was a little town called Ramus that had a substantial Mormon population prior to the exodus. After the Mormons left, the non-Mormon residents changed the town’s name to Webster (presumably after Daniel Webster). That’s in Susan Rugh’s excellent work on Hancock County.

]]> By: Ardis Parshall http://www.juvenileinstructor.org/the-first-methodist-sermon-in-the-mormon-temple-religious-activity-in-post-mormon-nauvoo/#comment-8583 Ardis Parshall Wed, 11 Jun 2008 20:13:44 +0000 http://www.juvenileinstructor.org/the-first-methodist-sermon-in-the-mormon-temple-religious-activity-in-post-mormon-nauvoo/#comment-8583 The Trustees were trying to sell the temple -- I wonder if they hoped this would be audition by someone who might purchase? 'Cause they sure couldn't have been fooled into thinking the reverend gentleman was any kind of a friend. The Trustees were trying to sell the temple — I wonder if they hoped this would be audition by someone who might purchase? ‘Cause they sure couldn’t have been fooled into thinking the reverend gentleman was any kind of a friend.

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