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		<title>By: matt b</title>
		<link>http://www.juvenileinstructor.org/roman-polanski-there-is-none-righteous-no-not-one/comment-page-1/#comment-49093</link>
		<dc:creator>matt b</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Oct 2009 14:55:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, Jacob, first for your civil tone, particularly in response to my somewhat rushed initial reply.  And let me apologize; I&#039;ve been out of town all weekend and lacked internet access.  I, alas, don&#039;t have much more time today, but I think the crux of the matter is this - you use words like &#039;criticize&#039; and &#039;disapprove&#039; to characterize how I treat some of Polanski&#039;s critics, but I&#039;d say that slightly mischaracterizes my intention.  I&#039;m not accusing Polanski&#039;s detractors of hypocrisy or saying they are wrong to be enraged over his actions.  I understand how the post could be as an accusation, but rather, I&#039;m making a theological point about the complicated nature of humanity.  I don&#039;t judge it &#039;criticism&#039; to point out that all of us have a propensity to sin.

Ian - thanks, and I apologize for misreading you.

Dan - Polanski most certainly did commit the crime; he acknowledges it, as does she, and while there was, most likely, some degree of judge tampering, the broader point here is not about whether he deserves to be jailed or not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Jacob, first for your civil tone, particularly in response to my somewhat rushed initial reply.  And let me apologize; I&#8217;ve been out of town all weekend and lacked internet access.  I, alas, don&#8217;t have much more time today, but I think the crux of the matter is this &#8211; you use words like &#8216;criticize&#8217; and &#8216;disapprove&#8217; to characterize how I treat some of Polanski&#8217;s critics, but I&#8217;d say that slightly mischaracterizes my intention.  I&#8217;m not accusing Polanski&#8217;s detractors of hypocrisy or saying they are wrong to be enraged over his actions.  I understand how the post could be as an accusation, but rather, I&#8217;m making a theological point about the complicated nature of humanity.  I don&#8217;t judge it &#8216;criticism&#8217; to point out that all of us have a propensity to sin.</p>
<p>Ian &#8211; thanks, and I apologize for misreading you.</p>
<p>Dan &#8211; Polanski most certainly did commit the crime; he acknowledges it, as does she, and while there was, most likely, some degree of judge tampering, the broader point here is not about whether he deserves to be jailed or not.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Oct 2009 14:30:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>matt,

&lt;blockquote&gt;It’s the horrifyingly simple truth that we don’t understand ourselves. We can’t explain why we do far too much of what we actually do. We barely glimpse the far horizons of our own motivations. And the hideous paradox here is as Paul recognizes; we all perform evil deeds knowing the good, and indeed, even worse, knowing the very nature of evil and embracing it anyway, in a ghastly, grinning nihilism.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Brilliantly said.

As for Polanski, not that I have paid much attention to this situation, but didn&#039;t he work with the prosecution and the judge on a plea deal? Then when learning that the judge had improperly conversed with the prosecution, he fled? I mean, it would seem he attempted to &quot;repent&quot; of his sin (or at least pay for his crime within man&#039;s laws). The real screwup was the judge, wasn&#039;t it? Would you not flee if the judge was going to mess up the rest of your life after you agreed to a plea deal? I can&#039;t speak for whether he &quot;drugged and raped&quot; the 13 year old girl because I just don&#039;t know enough, but the girl, now much older woman, simply wants people to put this behind them. It seems to me the best course of action.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>matt,</p>
<blockquote><p>It’s the horrifyingly simple truth that we don’t understand ourselves. We can’t explain why we do far too much of what we actually do. We barely glimpse the far horizons of our own motivations. And the hideous paradox here is as Paul recognizes; we all perform evil deeds knowing the good, and indeed, even worse, knowing the very nature of evil and embracing it anyway, in a ghastly, grinning nihilism.</p></blockquote>
<p>Brilliantly said.</p>
<p>As for Polanski, not that I have paid much attention to this situation, but didn&#8217;t he work with the prosecution and the judge on a plea deal? Then when learning that the judge had improperly conversed with the prosecution, he fled? I mean, it would seem he attempted to &#8220;repent&#8221; of his sin (or at least pay for his crime within man&#8217;s laws). The real screwup was the judge, wasn&#8217;t it? Would you not flee if the judge was going to mess up the rest of your life after you agreed to a plea deal? I can&#8217;t speak for whether he &#8220;drugged and raped&#8221; the 13 year old girl because I just don&#8217;t know enough, but the girl, now much older woman, simply wants people to put this behind them. It seems to me the best course of action.</p>
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		<title>By: Jacob J</title>
		<link>http://www.juvenileinstructor.org/roman-polanski-there-is-none-righteous-no-not-one/comment-page-1/#comment-48819</link>
		<dc:creator>Jacob J</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 21:47:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Matt, 

I read the whole post and I understand your criticism of the Polanski worshipers.  I don&#039;t really have any beef with your attempts to psychoanalyze the doofus defenders of Polanski. If that were as far as the post went, I would be on board.  However, there are &lt;em&gt;throughout&lt;/em&gt; the post references to those who condemn Polanski as well.  You used the pejorative &quot;forehead slappers&quot; right off the bat to characterize them.  Thus, you have set up the post from the outset (in section I) as a post that will criticize both the defenders and detractors of Polanski.  The post then makes good on the promise.

The whole section II of your post is about how all of us have sinful natures which we do not, cannot, fully control.  Polanski has a dual nature of both good and evil and so do all of the rest of us (we&#039;re all &quot;complicated&quot;).  While it is true that you spend two of the three paragraphs in section III analyzing the ramifications of this dual nature on the defenses of Polanski, you then spend the last analyzing the ramifications for those who condemn Polanski.  Far from endorsing a condemnation of Polanski&#039;s evil actions, you offer a warning to those who condemn Polanski: 

&lt;blockquote&gt;Polanski’s demons rage inside each one of us, and to shrink so far from the stench of their breath that we can imagine they have a hold only upon him is to put ourselves in danger of dividing our own souls they way Polanski’s defenders divide his.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I conclude from reading the entire post (as context for the last paragraph) that you don&#039;t approve either group (defenders or detractors).  Your points in section II are applied to both groups, which means you spent (by my count) very similar numbers of you 1800 words talking about the detractors as you did the defenders.  Probably a few more on the defenders, but not by an overwhelming margin.

Hopefully this comment is cogent enough to explain why I have read your post the way I have, even if you think that I have misread you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Matt, </p>
<p>I read the whole post and I understand your criticism of the Polanski worshipers.  I don&#8217;t really have any beef with your attempts to psychoanalyze the doofus defenders of Polanski. If that were as far as the post went, I would be on board.  However, there are <em>throughout</em> the post references to those who condemn Polanski as well.  You used the pejorative &#8220;forehead slappers&#8221; right off the bat to characterize them.  Thus, you have set up the post from the outset (in section I) as a post that will criticize both the defenders and detractors of Polanski.  The post then makes good on the promise.</p>
<p>The whole section II of your post is about how all of us have sinful natures which we do not, cannot, fully control.  Polanski has a dual nature of both good and evil and so do all of the rest of us (we&#8217;re all &#8220;complicated&#8221;).  While it is true that you spend two of the three paragraphs in section III analyzing the ramifications of this dual nature on the defenses of Polanski, you then spend the last analyzing the ramifications for those who condemn Polanski.  Far from endorsing a condemnation of Polanski&#8217;s evil actions, you offer a warning to those who condemn Polanski: </p>
<blockquote><p>Polanski’s demons rage inside each one of us, and to shrink so far from the stench of their breath that we can imagine they have a hold only upon him is to put ourselves in danger of dividing our own souls they way Polanski’s defenders divide his.</p></blockquote>
<p>I conclude from reading the entire post (as context for the last paragraph) that you don&#8217;t approve either group (defenders or detractors).  Your points in section II are applied to both groups, which means you spent (by my count) very similar numbers of you 1800 words talking about the detractors as you did the defenders.  Probably a few more on the defenders, but not by an overwhelming margin.</p>
<p>Hopefully this comment is cogent enough to explain why I have read your post the way I have, even if you think that I have misread you.</p>
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		<title>By: Ian Cook</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ian Cook</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 21:27:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry Matt, I didn&#039;t mean to suggest that you said that. I was just making a blanket statement. As a matter of fact, all that stuff you said went way over my head anyway. So, probably i&#039;m not the person to be able to correctly interpret what you said in the first place.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry Matt, I didn&#8217;t mean to suggest that you said that. I was just making a blanket statement. As a matter of fact, all that stuff you said went way over my head anyway. So, probably i&#8217;m not the person to be able to correctly interpret what you said in the first place.</p>
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		<title>By: matt b.</title>
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		<dc:creator>matt b.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 19:26:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jacob, Ian - I think you&#039;ve both read the post for something it is not.  There are plenty of posts out there - and good ones - which simply denounce Polanski&#039;s horrible crime.  This post is about his defenders. In fact, I was inspired to write it when I tried to understand how it was that otherwise intelligent people could engage in the morally troubling act of defending him.

Indeed, Jacob, I don&#039;t believe I gave merely cursory treatment to them; they are the ones whose moral universes is suspect; they are the ones who are a cautionary tale to the rest of us.  You appear to be focusing on the final paragraph to the exclusion of the previous dozen.  And indeed, neither does that final paragraph state that all those who are troubled by Polanski&#039;s sin are conscious hypocrites.  Rather, it states that Polanski and his defenders are a reminder to all of us that we are sinners as well.  That&#039;s hardly a &quot;defense&quot; of the man.

So, I am not sure I understand how the post could be read in any way favorable to Polanski at the expense of everybody else.  Nowhere do I say that he should not be subjected to punishment; nowhere do I attempt to excuse his behavior; neither do I, as Ian seems to imply, call for him to go unpunished.   Indeed, the who thing is an 1800 word exploration of why not only his acts, but those who excuse them, are a form of evil.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jacob, Ian &#8211; I think you&#8217;ve both read the post for something it is not.  There are plenty of posts out there &#8211; and good ones &#8211; which simply denounce Polanski&#8217;s horrible crime.  This post is about his defenders. In fact, I was inspired to write it when I tried to understand how it was that otherwise intelligent people could engage in the morally troubling act of defending him.</p>
<p>Indeed, Jacob, I don&#8217;t believe I gave merely cursory treatment to them; they are the ones whose moral universes is suspect; they are the ones who are a cautionary tale to the rest of us.  You appear to be focusing on the final paragraph to the exclusion of the previous dozen.  And indeed, neither does that final paragraph state that all those who are troubled by Polanski&#8217;s sin are conscious hypocrites.  Rather, it states that Polanski and his defenders are a reminder to all of us that we are sinners as well.  That&#8217;s hardly a &#8220;defense&#8221; of the man.</p>
<p>So, I am not sure I understand how the post could be read in any way favorable to Polanski at the expense of everybody else.  Nowhere do I say that he should not be subjected to punishment; nowhere do I attempt to excuse his behavior; neither do I, as Ian seems to imply, call for him to go unpunished.   Indeed, the who thing is an 1800 word exploration of why not only his acts, but those who excuse them, are a form of evil.</p>
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		<title>By: Ian Cook</title>
		<link>http://www.juvenileinstructor.org/roman-polanski-there-is-none-righteous-no-not-one/comment-page-1/#comment-48806</link>
		<dc:creator>Ian Cook</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 18:23:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with Jacob J., I have seen nothing of repentance from Polanski. I don&#039;t think we as society can allow this deed to go unpunished. Besides, were he truly penitent, he would have turned himself in anyway.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Jacob J., I have seen nothing of repentance from Polanski. I don&#8217;t think we as society can allow this deed to go unpunished. Besides, were he truly penitent, he would have turned himself in anyway.</p>
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		<title>By: Jacob J</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jacob J</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 17:57:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This post doesn&#039;t attempt to exonerate Polanski, but it is a defense of sorts, which I find amazing.  Sure it criticizes the Polanski defenders, but only, it seems, to set itself up as a more nuanced and thoughtful combating of the &quot;forehead slappers.&quot;  When a person drugs and rapes a child and you write a post about how we&#039;re all sinners with evil inside which is beyond our mastery, that is an implicit defense.  The post creates a false dichotomy between those who idolize Polanski to the point that they excuse his horrific crime and the &quot;rest of us&quot; who see in Polanski the sinner we are not and who fail to realize the seeds of sin lie in each of us.  My forehead slapping does not represent a self-deception in which I fail to see myself as a sinner.  Your last line speaks of repentance, but what have we seen from Polanski that is related to repentance?  Do I want him to repent?  Sure.  Do I accept that he can repent? Sure.  I must be missing the paradox there.  My condemnation of Polanski&#039;s atrocious behavior represents a willingness to identify evil and condemn it for what it is.  I really don&#039;t see how it has anything to do with the stench of my own breath.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This post doesn&#8217;t attempt to exonerate Polanski, but it is a defense of sorts, which I find amazing.  Sure it criticizes the Polanski defenders, but only, it seems, to set itself up as a more nuanced and thoughtful combating of the &#8220;forehead slappers.&#8221;  When a person drugs and rapes a child and you write a post about how we&#8217;re all sinners with evil inside which is beyond our mastery, that is an implicit defense.  The post creates a false dichotomy between those who idolize Polanski to the point that they excuse his horrific crime and the &#8220;rest of us&#8221; who see in Polanski the sinner we are not and who fail to realize the seeds of sin lie in each of us.  My forehead slapping does not represent a self-deception in which I fail to see myself as a sinner.  Your last line speaks of repentance, but what have we seen from Polanski that is related to repentance?  Do I want him to repent?  Sure.  Do I accept that he can repent? Sure.  I must be missing the paradox there.  My condemnation of Polanski&#8217;s atrocious behavior represents a willingness to identify evil and condemn it for what it is.  I really don&#8217;t see how it has anything to do with the stench of my own breath.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Fleming</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Fleming</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 15:51:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also, Wesley never claimed to have every achieved the perfection he preached.

Didn&#039;t Nietzsche say that we shouldn&#039;t be defined by the evil things we do since they are just small moments of our lives and not who we are.  (Not that I&#039;m a Nietzsche fan, but it&#039;s an interesting idea).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also, Wesley never claimed to have every achieved the perfection he preached.</p>
<p>Didn&#8217;t Nietzsche say that we shouldn&#8217;t be defined by the evil things we do since they are just small moments of our lives and not who we are.  (Not that I&#8217;m a Nietzsche fan, but it&#8217;s an interesting idea).</p>
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		<title>By: Christopher</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christopher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 13:32:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well done, Matt. Thanks for this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well done, Matt. Thanks for this.</p>
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		<title>By: Jack</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 12:50:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I, too, enjoyed your comments. To the extent this is about people in the media or the arts, I would extend moral judgment to what they do not just with their personal lives but with their art or the platform they have in the media. For instance, I find hate speech, regardless of whence it comes, inexcusable. For the record, Polanski is a scumbag as are those who apologize for him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I, too, enjoyed your comments. To the extent this is about people in the media or the arts, I would extend moral judgment to what they do not just with their personal lives but with their art or the platform they have in the media. For instance, I find hate speech, regardless of whence it comes, inexcusable. For the record, Polanski is a scumbag as are those who apologize for him.</p>
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