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	<title>Comments on: Problematizing the Reformation: Sola Scriptura and Cessation</title>
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		<title>By: Juvenile Instructor &#187; Women and Revelation in Christian History</title>
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		<dc:creator>Juvenile Instructor &#187; Women and Revelation in Christian History</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Mar 2011 18:51:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] that the English Reformation was kicked off with the execution of its last major female prophet, Elizabeth Barton. Barton (the Holy Maid of Kent) was a church-approved visionary, but when she denounced [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] that the English Reformation was kicked off with the execution of its last major female prophet, Elizabeth Barton. Barton (the Holy Maid of Kent) was a church-approved visionary, but when she denounced [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen M (Ethesis)</title>
		<link>http://www.juvenileinstructor.org/problematizing-the-reformation-sola-scriptura-and-cessation/comment-page-1/#comment-76382</link>
		<dc:creator>Stephen M (Ethesis)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jul 2010 10:57:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nicely done, I enjoy people exploring the fact that there may be more nuance than we expect.

It is also interesting to see how hardened positions like this were, even through to 1980 or so and how common it is now to read, hear and see people who feel inspiration and revelation in the individual life is important.

From twelve step programs to television evangelists, there is a constant stream of expressed, public belief in personal revelation of the sort that major Churches would have rejected in the 1950s.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nicely done, I enjoy people exploring the fact that there may be more nuance than we expect.</p>
<p>It is also interesting to see how hardened positions like this were, even through to 1980 or so and how common it is now to read, hear and see people who feel inspiration and revelation in the individual life is important.</p>
<p>From twelve step programs to television evangelists, there is a constant stream of expressed, public belief in personal revelation of the sort that major Churches would have rejected in the 1950s.</p>
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		<title>By: g.wesley</title>
		<link>http://www.juvenileinstructor.org/problematizing-the-reformation-sola-scriptura-and-cessation/comment-page-1/#comment-76195</link>
		<dc:creator>g.wesley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jul 2010 15:47:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>way to throw a wrench in things, steve.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>way to throw a wrench in things, steve.</p>
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		<title>By: J. Stapley</title>
		<link>http://www.juvenileinstructor.org/problematizing-the-reformation-sola-scriptura-and-cessation/comment-page-1/#comment-76145</link>
		<dc:creator>J. Stapley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jul 2010 01:09:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am not familiar enough with the older materials, but in the 17th and 18th century in England, it seems like there is a lot of the cessationist rhetoric aimed at the Catholics (e.g., critiques of exorcism accounts).

Thanks for the post, Steve.  It seems to me that cessationism is the big counterpoint to early Mormonism.  More so than just about anything.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am not familiar enough with the older materials, but in the 17th and 18th century in England, it seems like there is a lot of the cessationist rhetoric aimed at the Catholics (e.g., critiques of exorcism accounts).</p>
<p>Thanks for the post, Steve.  It seems to me that cessationism is the big counterpoint to early Mormonism.  More so than just about anything.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Fleming</title>
		<link>http://www.juvenileinstructor.org/problematizing-the-reformation-sola-scriptura-and-cessation/comment-page-1/#comment-76130</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Fleming</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jul 2010 20:55:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jonathan, right, Michael Heyd argues that cessation of revelation was directed at the radicals.  However, cessation of &lt;em&gt;miracles&lt;/em&gt; was generally directed at Catholics; I&#039;m pretty sure that Tyndale&#039;s quote about no more miracles was against Catholics.  

Heyd also notes that sola scriptura was used to argue for cessation of revelation: if the scriptures were perfect and complete then no more revelation was needed.

That&#039;s interesting about Luther publishing those works.  Hildegard did have some prophecies that sounded like foretelling the Reformation: that the church was corrupt and the lay leaders would take it over to reform it (or something).

Pres. Woodruff, I know your being facetious, but that is a good point.  Not everyone has to be a good proto-Mormon in order to have made important contributions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jonathan, right, Michael Heyd argues that cessation of revelation was directed at the radicals.  However, cessation of <em>miracles</em> was generally directed at Catholics; I&#8217;m pretty sure that Tyndale&#8217;s quote about no more miracles was against Catholics.  </p>
<p>Heyd also notes that sola scriptura was used to argue for cessation of revelation: if the scriptures were perfect and complete then no more revelation was needed.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s interesting about Luther publishing those works.  Hildegard did have some prophecies that sounded like foretelling the Reformation: that the church was corrupt and the lay leaders would take it over to reform it (or something).</p>
<p>Pres. Woodruff, I know your being facetious, but that is a good point.  Not everyone has to be a good proto-Mormon in order to have made important contributions.</p>
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		<title>By: Wilford Woodruff</title>
		<link>http://www.juvenileinstructor.org/problematizing-the-reformation-sola-scriptura-and-cessation/comment-page-1/#comment-76119</link>
		<dc:creator>Wilford Woodruff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jul 2010 18:10:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, if the founding fathers were able to resolve their concerns about deism, I&#039;m sure we can still expect the best from Wm. Tyndale. ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, if the founding fathers were able to resolve their concerns about deism, I&#8217;m sure we can still expect the best from Wm. Tyndale. <img src='http://www.juvenileinstructor.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan Green</title>
		<link>http://www.juvenileinstructor.org/problematizing-the-reformation-sola-scriptura-and-cessation/comment-page-1/#comment-76111</link>
		<dc:creator>Jonathan Green</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jul 2010 16:30:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very nice, Steve. One thing that stands out to me is that &lt;em&gt;sola scriptura&lt;/em&gt; was aimed at Catholicism, while cessation was aimed at the Anabaptists and other radical movements. For that reason, the two teachings don&#039;t appear simultaneously. I don&#039;t think Luther, for example, really comes out against revelation until he&#039;s forced to ward off competition on his left flank in the 1520s. The works with the most clearly prophetic claims that I know of in the early Reformation, from Melchior Hoffmann and Ursula Jost, are very much located in the Radical wing.

An interesting wrinkle is that even for Luther and his colleagues, revelation and vision had their polemical uses (but as something you printed, not as something you received). Luther wrote prefaces for new editions of Lichtenberger and Bruder Claus, and Andreas Osiander did the same for a tract attributed to Hildegard of Bingen and the &lt;em&gt;Vaticinia de summis Pontificibus&lt;/em&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very nice, Steve. One thing that stands out to me is that <em>sola scriptura</em> was aimed at Catholicism, while cessation was aimed at the Anabaptists and other radical movements. For that reason, the two teachings don&#8217;t appear simultaneously. I don&#8217;t think Luther, for example, really comes out against revelation until he&#8217;s forced to ward off competition on his left flank in the 1520s. The works with the most clearly prophetic claims that I know of in the early Reformation, from Melchior Hoffmann and Ursula Jost, are very much located in the Radical wing.</p>
<p>An interesting wrinkle is that even for Luther and his colleagues, revelation and vision had their polemical uses (but as something you printed, not as something you received). Luther wrote prefaces for new editions of Lichtenberger and Bruder Claus, and Andreas Osiander did the same for a tract attributed to Hildegard of Bingen and the <em>Vaticinia de summis Pontificibus</em>.</p>
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		<title>By: DavidH</title>
		<link>http://www.juvenileinstructor.org/problematizing-the-reformation-sola-scriptura-and-cessation/comment-page-1/#comment-76073</link>
		<dc:creator>DavidH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jul 2010 05:33:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Perhaps some of the anti-Mormonism among Protestants in the 1800s was driven by some of the same religious intellectual forces that drove anti-Catholicism among Protestants in America.  BTW, Erasmus is sort of a hero for me--I love his reply to Luther that you quoted above.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps some of the anti-Mormonism among Protestants in the 1800s was driven by some of the same religious intellectual forces that drove anti-Catholicism among Protestants in America.  BTW, Erasmus is sort of a hero for me&#8211;I love his reply to Luther that you quoted above.</p>
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		<title>By: WVS</title>
		<link>http://www.juvenileinstructor.org/problematizing-the-reformation-sola-scriptura-and-cessation/comment-page-1/#comment-76071</link>
		<dc:creator>WVS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jul 2010 04:28:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good stuff Steve.  Thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good stuff Steve.  Thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: smb</title>
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		<dc:creator>smb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jul 2010 03:56:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good reminder. I am slowly coming to believe that anti-Protestantism is crucial to understanding the religious claims of earliest Mormonism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good reminder. I am slowly coming to believe that anti-Protestantism is crucial to understanding the religious claims of earliest Mormonism.</p>
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