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	<title>Comments on: Poll: The Pew Forum and a Personal God</title>
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		<title>By: Best of the Week 4: Academic LDS : Mormon Metaphysics</title>
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		<dc:creator>Best of the Week 4: Academic LDS : Mormon Metaphysics</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Aug 2008 05:37:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Pew Forum Survey and the belief in a personal God. A defense of the Pew Survey. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Pew Forum Survey and the belief in a personal God. A defense of the Pew Survey. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Allie</title>
		<link>http://www.juvenileinstructor.org/poll-the-pew-forum-and-a-personal-god/comment-page-1/#comment-10892</link>
		<dc:creator>Allie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jul 2008 19:51:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The actual question wording in the Pew survey (found &lt;a href=&quot;http://religions.pewforum.org/pdf/report2religious-landscape-study-topline.pdf&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;, on page 46) was as follows:

Q.30 Do you believe in God or a universal spirit?
IF BELIEVE IN GOD/UNIVERSAL SPIRIT (Q.30=1), ASK:
Q.32 Which comes closest to your view of God? God is a person with whom people can have a relationship or God is an impersonal force?

So, most Mormons (and evangelicals) were probably thinking of your first option.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The actual question wording in the Pew survey (found <a href="http://religions.pewforum.org/pdf/report2religious-landscape-study-topline.pdf" rel="nofollow">here</a>, on page 46) was as follows:</p>
<p>Q.30 Do you believe in God or a universal spirit?<br />
IF BELIEVE IN GOD/UNIVERSAL SPIRIT (Q.30=1), ASK:<br />
Q.32 Which comes closest to your view of God? God is a person with whom people can have a relationship or God is an impersonal force?</p>
<p>So, most Mormons (and evangelicals) were probably thinking of your first option.</p>
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		<title>By: John Turner</title>
		<link>http://www.juvenileinstructor.org/poll-the-pew-forum-and-a-personal-god/comment-page-1/#comment-10780</link>
		<dc:creator>John Turner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jul 2008 23:55:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Christopher,

You make an excellent point, though I would point out that many publishers would snatch up work by Bushman, Givens, etc. But I think you are absolutely correct that there would be an inherent suspicion of Mormon history done by Mormons, much more than of evangelical history done by evangelicals. 

When I was approaching publishers about my Campus Crusade for Christ history, one asked me &quot;Are you one of them?&quot; I took that to mean with the organization, so I said no. Yes obviously would have been disqualifying. Nobody asked if I was an evangelical Christian. 

Here&#039;s another advantage for evangelicals. As long as one&#039;s not specifically addressing one&#039;s current denomination&#039;s recent history or the like, there&#039;s also no church reaction to worry about. My gut tells me that as much as things have changed, perhaps that&#039;s another good reason to avoid an explicitly Mormon topic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Christopher,</p>
<p>You make an excellent point, though I would point out that many publishers would snatch up work by Bushman, Givens, etc. But I think you are absolutely correct that there would be an inherent suspicion of Mormon history done by Mormons, much more than of evangelical history done by evangelicals. </p>
<p>When I was approaching publishers about my Campus Crusade for Christ history, one asked me &#8220;Are you one of them?&#8221; I took that to mean with the organization, so I said no. Yes obviously would have been disqualifying. Nobody asked if I was an evangelical Christian. </p>
<p>Here&#8217;s another advantage for evangelicals. As long as one&#8217;s not specifically addressing one&#8217;s current denomination&#8217;s recent history or the like, there&#8217;s also no church reaction to worry about. My gut tells me that as much as things have changed, perhaps that&#8217;s another good reason to avoid an explicitly Mormon topic.</p>
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		<title>By: Christopher</title>
		<link>http://www.juvenileinstructor.org/poll-the-pew-forum-and-a-personal-god/comment-page-1/#comment-10755</link>
		<dc:creator>Christopher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jul 2008 15:53:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John, thanks for weighing in. Your suggestion that &quot;virtually all evangelicals would choose 1&amp;3&quot; confirmed my assumptions that that&#039;s how evangelicals read the question.

How dare you try and undermine the Mormon persecution/discrimination complex! That&#039;s deep water to tread around a Mormon blog. I&#039;m just warning you. :) Even if you&#039;re right that white, male evangelicals are as discriminated against, as least you all form a sizable minority. We&#039;re still a relatively small group without much of a collective voice.

I think the verdict is still out on how interested publishers are in Mormon topics. It appears that they&#039;re very interested in work on Mormonism done by those outide the faith (see Shipps, Gordon, Brooks, hopefully you, etc.), but perhaps not as much in work done by those within the faith. It is interesting to note that most of the students in attendance at our little get-together the other night either are or plan to avoid an explicitly Mormon topic for their dissertation. Many of us have been dissuaded from doing a Mormon topic by mentors and/or the fear of pidgeon-holing one&#039;s self as a inward-looking Mormon historian, incapable of addressing larger issues in the historical and/or religious realm.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John, thanks for weighing in. Your suggestion that &#8220;virtually all evangelicals would choose 1&amp;3&#8243; confirmed my assumptions that that&#8217;s how evangelicals read the question.</p>
<p>How dare you try and undermine the Mormon persecution/discrimination complex! That&#8217;s deep water to tread around a Mormon blog. I&#8217;m just warning you. <img src='http://www.juvenileinstructor.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  Even if you&#8217;re right that white, male evangelicals are as discriminated against, as least you all form a sizable minority. We&#8217;re still a relatively small group without much of a collective voice.</p>
<p>I think the verdict is still out on how interested publishers are in Mormon topics. It appears that they&#8217;re very interested in work on Mormonism done by those outide the faith (see Shipps, Gordon, Brooks, hopefully you, etc.), but perhaps not as much in work done by those within the faith. It is interesting to note that most of the students in attendance at our little get-together the other night either are or plan to avoid an explicitly Mormon topic for their dissertation. Many of us have been dissuaded from doing a Mormon topic by mentors and/or the fear of pidgeon-holing one&#8217;s self as a inward-looking Mormon historian, incapable of addressing larger issues in the historical and/or religious realm.</p>
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		<title>By: John Turner</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Turner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jul 2008 02:25:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Virtually all evangelicals would choose 1&amp;3 and find the idea of an anthropomorphic anathema. And good Calvinists interpret such biblical passages as God&#039;s accommodation to limited human capacities. 

It&#039;s hard for me to believe that white, male Mormons would be at a disadvantage vis-a-vis white, male evangelicals. At least most everyone finds Mormonism and Mormons interesting, whereas evangelicalism is regarded as truly threatening by secular academia and evangelicals are regarded as at best a nuisance. Basically, I&#039;m lightheartedly trying to suggest I&#039;m more discriminated against than most of you. 

I agree with Mason, at least in the long run. Do good work, publish whenever possible, and the chances of long-run success climb. Academia becomes slightly more meritorious the longer one sticks around, and publishers are VERY interested in Mormon topics, so that&#039;s a positive.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Virtually all evangelicals would choose 1&amp;3 and find the idea of an anthropomorphic anathema. And good Calvinists interpret such biblical passages as God&#8217;s accommodation to limited human capacities. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s hard for me to believe that white, male Mormons would be at a disadvantage vis-a-vis white, male evangelicals. At least most everyone finds Mormonism and Mormons interesting, whereas evangelicalism is regarded as truly threatening by secular academia and evangelicals are regarded as at best a nuisance. Basically, I&#8217;m lightheartedly trying to suggest I&#8217;m more discriminated against than most of you. </p>
<p>I agree with Mason, at least in the long run. Do good work, publish whenever possible, and the chances of long-run success climb. Academia becomes slightly more meritorious the longer one sticks around, and publishers are VERY interested in Mormon topics, so that&#8217;s a positive.</p>
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		<title>By: matt b</title>
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		<dc:creator>matt b</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jul 2008 20:41:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Stape - on Jesus, definitely.  Indeed, the whole point of the phrase is to indicate that through Jesus, the Incarnation, we _can_ have a personal relationship of the sort we mere mortals are capable of with the God who transcends the creation.  God&#039;s desire to cultivate such is why it was fitting for God to be born as a man.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stape &#8211; on Jesus, definitely.  Indeed, the whole point of the phrase is to indicate that through Jesus, the Incarnation, we _can_ have a personal relationship of the sort we mere mortals are capable of with the God who transcends the creation.  God&#8217;s desire to cultivate such is why it was fitting for God to be born as a man.</p>
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		<title>By: Ardis Parshall</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ardis Parshall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jul 2008 18:59:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>17: don&#039;t get me started on my mad love affair with my laptop ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>17: don&#8217;t get me started on my mad love affair with my laptop &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: J. Stapley</title>
		<link>http://www.juvenileinstructor.org/poll-the-pew-forum-and-a-personal-god/comment-page-1/#comment-10639</link>
		<dc:creator>J. Stapley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jul 2008 17:27:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;&quot;also don’t think there are any real Calvinists left anymore, either.&quot;&lt;/em&gt;

Hee hee.  There are! I&#039;ve even met a few.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>&#8220;also don’t think there are any real Calvinists left anymore, either.&#8221;</em></p>
<p>Hee hee.  There are! I&#8217;ve even met a few.</p>
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		<title>By: Christopher</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christopher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jul 2008 17:23:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>J., I don&#039;t think the Calvinist God can have a personal relationship with anyone, but I also don&#039;t think there are any real Calvinists left anymore, either.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>J., I don&#8217;t think the Calvinist God can have a personal relationship with anyone, but I also don&#8217;t think there are any real Calvinists left anymore, either.</p>
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		<title>By: J. Stapley</title>
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		<dc:creator>J. Stapley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jul 2008 16:53:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On thinking about this, I guess it is possible to &quot;have a personal computer&quot; without having any sort of relationship with it. Though I tend to think that the &quot;personal Savior&quot; language conveys interpersonal relationship.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On thinking about this, I guess it is possible to &#8220;have a personal computer&#8221; without having any sort of relationship with it. Though I tend to think that the &#8220;personal Savior&#8221; language conveys interpersonal relationship.</p>
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