Comments on: Phil Barlow on the Historical Task http://www.juvenileinstructor.org/phil-barlow-and-the-historical-task/ Fri, 10 Sep 2010 14:14:20 -0400 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0 By: BHodges http://www.juvenileinstructor.org/phil-barlow-and-the-historical-task/comment-page-1/#comment-3598 BHodges Wed, 12 Mar 2008 17:10:19 +0000 http://www.juvenileinstructor.org/phil-barlow-and-the-historical-task/#comment-3598 Check out Peter Novick on the historical task in his book <em><a href="http://www.amazon.com/That-Noble-Dream-Objectivity-Historical/dp/0521357454" rel="nofollow">That Noble Dream</a></em>. He also spoke at a Sunstone symposium in 1989. His talk, <a href="http://www.sunstoneonline.com/MP3Down/SL89096.mp3" rel="nofollow">"Why The Old Mormon Historians Are More Objective Than The New."</a> Check out Peter Novick on the historical task in his book That Noble Dream. He also spoke at a Sunstone symposium in 1989. His talk, “Why The Old Mormon Historians Are More Objective Than The New.”

]]> By: Chris http://www.juvenileinstructor.org/phil-barlow-and-the-historical-task/comment-page-1/#comment-3522 Chris Tue, 11 Mar 2008 03:06:11 +0000 http://www.juvenileinstructor.org/phil-barlow-and-the-historical-task/#comment-3522 Good quote. Pregnant with meaning, indeed Good quote. Pregnant with meaning, indeed

]]> By: Christopher http://www.juvenileinstructor.org/phil-barlow-and-the-historical-task/comment-page-1/#comment-3509 Christopher Mon, 10 Mar 2008 06:43:51 +0000 http://www.juvenileinstructor.org/phil-barlow-and-the-historical-task/#comment-3509 Amen to your post and David's #1. Thanks, Jared. Amen to your post and David’s #1. Thanks, Jared.

]]> By: JonW http://www.juvenileinstructor.org/phil-barlow-and-the-historical-task/comment-page-1/#comment-3481 JonW Sun, 09 Mar 2008 06:20:28 +0000 http://www.juvenileinstructor.org/phil-barlow-and-the-historical-task/#comment-3481 As my Judaism professor said on the first day of class: We are going to step on some ideas, and if you are not comfortable with that I understand. We are going to show respect at all times, but we are not going be holding to the bible as the correct version of history. As my Judaism professor said on the first day of class:
We are going to step on some ideas, and if you are not comfortable with that I understand. We are going to show respect at all times, but we are not going be holding to the bible as the correct version of history.

]]> By: JonW http://www.juvenileinstructor.org/phil-barlow-and-the-historical-task/comment-page-1/#comment-3480 JonW Sun, 09 Mar 2008 06:17:47 +0000 http://www.juvenileinstructor.org/phil-barlow-and-the-historical-task/#comment-3480 I think this is why someone like Bushman, and Leonard Arrington are so important to the field. They push the boundries but do so in a way that may not offend. Some historians are for the whole truth, as they see it, and nothing but the truth kind of people. I think we have tread carefully on the traditions and understandings of others. If we are careful, considerate and make room (to use term negotiate)that sometimes things might be better left out. So what am I getting at. Bushman's Rough Stone Rolling did not attempt to go into detail on some issues about Smith that are obviously controversial. However, I would say there were definately some surprises for those who only know the primary version of church history. I think Bushman did a very careful, yet frank, job bringing the facts while leaving others to be delved into at a later time. When scholars allow things to perculate and continue to expand with care rather than with a bludgeon I think the average member can "get it". Of course when you deal with things on an academic level of publishing you are not worried about the weapon of choice you are just trying to be seen as doing due dilligence. I think this is why someone like Bushman, and Leonard Arrington are so important to the field. They push the boundries but do so in a way that may not offend.

Some historians are for the whole truth, as they see it, and nothing but the truth kind of people. I think we have tread carefully on the traditions and understandings of others. If we are careful, considerate and make room (to use term negotiate)that sometimes things might be better left out.

So what am I getting at. Bushman’s Rough Stone Rolling did not attempt to go into detail on some issues about Smith that are obviously controversial. However, I would say there were definately some surprises for those who only know the primary version of church history.

I think Bushman did a very careful, yet frank, job bringing the facts while leaving others to be delved into at a later time.

When scholars allow things to perculate and continue to expand with care rather than with a bludgeon I think the average member can “get it”.

Of course when you deal with things on an academic level of publishing you are not worried about the weapon of choice you are just trying to be seen as doing due dilligence.

]]> By: David G. http://www.juvenileinstructor.org/phil-barlow-and-the-historical-task/comment-page-1/#comment-3477 David G. Sun, 09 Mar 2008 05:34:30 +0000 http://www.juvenileinstructor.org/phil-barlow-and-the-historical-task/#comment-3477 Thanks for this, Jared. I can't think of many better examples of what you're getting at than Phil Barlow. He's done a great job of negotiating his faith with his scholarship during his career. Thanks for this, Jared. I can’t think of many better examples of what you’re getting at than Phil Barlow. He’s done a great job of negotiating his faith with his scholarship during his career.

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