Comments on: Notes on the 2008 Bushman Seminar (Part 1) http://www.juvenileinstructor.org/notes-on-the-2008-bushman-seminar-part-1/ Sat, 13 Mar 2010 15:59:52 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 By: Cowboy http://www.juvenileinstructor.org/notes-on-the-2008-bushman-seminar-part-1/comment-page-1/#comment-14041 Cowboy Wed, 10 Sep 2008 17:33:24 +0000 http://www.juvenileinstructor.org/notes-on-the-2008-bushman-seminar-part-1/#comment-14041 #5 Hoaxer: Mr. Smith, would mind looking at these curious plates found in Kinderhook, and give us your preliminary opinion. Joseph Smith: Well, the symbols appear to be Egyptian, much like those contained on the Gold Plates from which I translated The Book of Mormon. Gaging from the bones and the characters on the plates it would appear that the author was descendant of Pharoah throug the loins of Ham. I would further guess that this man recieved his kingdom from the God of heaven and earth. That would be my prelimary opinion, but I would have to study them more carefully to be certain. #5

Hoaxer: Mr. Smith, would mind looking at these curious plates found in Kinderhook, and give us your preliminary opinion.

Joseph Smith: Well, the symbols appear to be Egyptian, much like those contained on the Gold Plates from which I translated The Book of Mormon. Gaging from the bones and the characters on the plates it would appear that the author was descendant of Pharoah throug the loins of Ham. I would further guess that this man recieved his kingdom from the God of heaven and earth. That would be my prelimary opinion, but I would have to study them more carefully to be certain.

]]> By: Times & Seasons » Posts You Might Have Missed 5 http://www.juvenileinstructor.org/notes-on-the-2008-bushman-seminar-part-1/comment-page-1/#comment-11606 Times & Seasons » Posts You Might Have Missed 5 Wed, 06 Aug 2008 07:48:03 +0000 http://www.juvenileinstructor.org/notes-on-the-2008-bushman-seminar-part-1/#comment-11606 [...] posts summarize the presentations given by scholars and students at the end of the seminar. Part 1 includes Stephen Harper’s argument against the “spiritual eyes” statements [...] [...] posts summarize the presentations given by scholars and students at the end of the seminar. Part 1 includes Stephen Harper’s argument against the “spiritual eyes” statements [...]

]]> By: Best of the Week 4: Academic LDS : Mormon Metaphysics http://www.juvenileinstructor.org/notes-on-the-2008-bushman-seminar-part-1/comment-page-1/#comment-11398 Best of the Week 4: Academic LDS : Mormon Metaphysics Sat, 02 Aug 2008 05:37:38 +0000 http://www.juvenileinstructor.org/notes-on-the-2008-bushman-seminar-part-1/#comment-11398 [...] 2008 Bushman Seminar Pt 1 and Pt 2 notes by Ben at Juvenile Instructor. Sounds like the focus was more on how religious educators can engage with controversial or difficult issues. Also at Life on Gold Plates some thoughts on the seminar. [...] [...] 2008 Bushman Seminar Pt 1 and Pt 2 notes by Ben at Juvenile Instructor. Sounds like the focus was more on how religious educators can engage with controversial or difficult issues. Also at Life on Gold Plates some thoughts on the seminar. [...]

]]> By: Ben http://www.juvenileinstructor.org/notes-on-the-2008-bushman-seminar-part-1/comment-page-1/#comment-11276 Ben Thu, 31 Jul 2008 01:43:44 +0000 http://www.juvenileinstructor.org/notes-on-the-2008-bushman-seminar-part-1/#comment-11276 Trevor: You are right, Hauglid got his degree in Arabic and Islamic studies. However, he is a self-proclaimed "Egyptologist" since that is what he works on (I do not know what his training in the field is, nor what it takes to be able to have the "Egyptologist" title). Trevor: You are right, Hauglid got his degree in Arabic and Islamic studies. However, he is a self-proclaimed “Egyptologist” since that is what he works on (I do not know what his training in the field is, nor what it takes to be able to have the “Egyptologist” title).

]]> By: Trevor http://www.juvenileinstructor.org/notes-on-the-2008-bushman-seminar-part-1/comment-page-1/#comment-11275 Trevor Thu, 31 Jul 2008 01:15:40 +0000 http://www.juvenileinstructor.org/notes-on-the-2008-bushman-seminar-part-1/#comment-11275 A minor correction or clarification of detail--the University of Utah does not award a Doctorate in Egyptology. It is therefore unlikely that Brian Hauglid is a trained Egyptologist. To my knowledge, of the BYU faculty only John Gee has completed a PhD in Egyptology, while Michael D. Rhodes also has graduate level training in the subject. A minor correction or clarification of detail–the University of Utah does not award a Doctorate in Egyptology. It is therefore unlikely that Brian Hauglid is a trained Egyptologist. To my knowledge, of the BYU faculty only John Gee has completed a PhD in Egyptology, while Michael D. Rhodes also has graduate level training in the subject.

]]> By: kodos http://www.juvenileinstructor.org/notes-on-the-2008-bushman-seminar-part-1/comment-page-1/#comment-11271 kodos Wed, 30 Jul 2008 23:33:36 +0000 http://www.juvenileinstructor.org/notes-on-the-2008-bushman-seminar-part-1/#comment-11271 Thanks, Kent. I hope I get to read the presentation. Thanks, Kent. I hope I get to read the presentation.

]]> By: RG http://www.juvenileinstructor.org/notes-on-the-2008-bushman-seminar-part-1/comment-page-1/#comment-11265 RG Wed, 30 Jul 2008 21:12:37 +0000 http://www.juvenileinstructor.org/notes-on-the-2008-bushman-seminar-part-1/#comment-11265 <i> If I’ve read correctly, the stipulated conversation is between an _already_ troubled member and a religious educator who is _already_ both aware of history and secure in faith. Thus, there is no need to persuade anyone in the described conversation that history is painted grey on grey at dusk. </i> I imagine that the conference is meant to have some normative force (even if only implicitly). No? If I’ve read correctly, the stipulated conversation is between an _already_ troubled member and a religious educator who is _already_ both aware of history and secure in faith. Thus, there is no need to persuade anyone in the described conversation that history is painted grey on grey at dusk.

I imagine that the conference is meant to have some normative force (even if only implicitly). No?

]]> By: Kent http://www.juvenileinstructor.org/notes-on-the-2008-bushman-seminar-part-1/comment-page-1/#comment-11246 Kent Wed, 30 Jul 2008 19:22:07 +0000 http://www.juvenileinstructor.org/notes-on-the-2008-bushman-seminar-part-1/#comment-11246 Kodos, Lund presented a very compelling case (for me at least) that Joseph Smith lost more than anyone else (and invested more than anyone else, especially at the end of the Society's days as he gave money to re-capitalize it) except for one other man. Lund also spent time speaking about how Smith repaid dozens of people who had sued him and had likely settled with all of them. He pointed out how the idea of Smith running to Missouri to shirk financial obligations is not accurate. Kodos,

Lund presented a very compelling case (for me at least) that Joseph Smith lost more than anyone else (and invested more than anyone else, especially at the end of the Society’s days as he gave money to re-capitalize it) except for one other man. Lund also spent time speaking about how Smith repaid dozens of people who had sued him and had likely settled with all of them. He pointed out how the idea of Smith running to Missouri to shirk financial obligations is not accurate.

]]> By: John Hamer http://www.juvenileinstructor.org/notes-on-the-2008-bushman-seminar-part-1/comment-page-1/#comment-11238 John Hamer Wed, 30 Jul 2008 17:51:43 +0000 http://www.juvenileinstructor.org/notes-on-the-2008-bushman-seminar-part-1/#comment-11238 Speaking of making stories real by connecting them to our own ancestors, my same g-g-g-great grandparents that I mentioned in the thread of Part #2, Stephen and Nancy Winchester, lived in Kinderhook, Illinois, after being forced to leave Missouri. I always imagine that the Stephen was one of the Mormons the Kinderhook gentiles were pranking, but I don't have any evidence one way or the other. We went to Kinderhook earlier this year to visit the site. It's a hamlet perched on the hills immediately above the Mississippi floodplain. Speaking of making stories real by connecting them to our own ancestors, my same g-g-g-great grandparents that I mentioned in the thread of Part #2, Stephen and Nancy Winchester, lived in Kinderhook, Illinois, after being forced to leave Missouri. I always imagine that the Stephen was one of the Mormons the Kinderhook gentiles were pranking, but I don’t have any evidence one way or the other.

We went to Kinderhook earlier this year to visit the site. It’s a hamlet perched on the hills immediately above the Mississippi floodplain.

]]> By: Clark http://www.juvenileinstructor.org/notes-on-the-2008-bushman-seminar-part-1/comment-page-1/#comment-11235 Clark Wed, 30 Jul 2008 17:35:39 +0000 http://www.juvenileinstructor.org/notes-on-the-2008-bushman-seminar-part-1/#comment-11235 <blockquote>The Prophet’s normal sequence with ancient records was transcribing, publishing, and publicizing, all usually in a short manner of time</blockquote> Umm. What? How long from when the Egyptian papyri was obtained to when it was published? And for that many how many ancient records did he deal with. (Two by my count)

The Prophet’s normal sequence with ancient records was transcribing, publishing, and publicizing, all usually in a short manner of time

Umm. What? How long from when the Egyptian papyri was obtained to when it was published? And for that many how many ancient records did he deal with. (Two by my count)

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