Comments on: Notes From the BYU Church History Symposium, 2010: Richard Bushman on Joseph Smith and the Routinization of Charisma http://www.juvenileinstructor.org/notes-from-the-byu-church-history-symposium-2010-richard-bushman-on-joseph-smith-and-the-routinization-of-charisma/ Fri, 10 Feb 2012 00:20:29 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: J. Stapley http://www.juvenileinstructor.org/notes-from-the-byu-church-history-symposium-2010-richard-bushman-on-joseph-smith-and-the-routinization-of-charisma/comment-page-1/#comment-62551 J. Stapley Tue, 02 Mar 2010 15:24:14 +0000 http://www.juvenileinstructor.org/?p=3904#comment-62551 Voting occurred in Iowa and Utah as well. Voting occurred in Iowa and Utah as well.

]]> By: BHodges http://www.juvenileinstructor.org/notes-from-the-byu-church-history-symposium-2010-richard-bushman-on-joseph-smith-and-the-routinization-of-charisma/comment-page-1/#comment-62546 BHodges Tue, 02 Mar 2010 14:51:13 +0000 http://www.juvenileinstructor.org/?p=3904#comment-62546 Jared, if you find the sources for that voting situation let me know, that sounds interesting! Also, I put together my notes on Bushman on Friday but didn't post them, I think I'll throw them up sometime later this week and see how they compare. Do a little King Follett source analysis yo. Jared, if you find the sources for that voting situation let me know, that sounds interesting! Also, I put together my notes on Bushman on Friday but didn’t post them, I think I’ll throw them up sometime later this week and see how they compare. Do a little King Follett source analysis yo.

]]> By: Jared T. http://www.juvenileinstructor.org/notes-from-the-byu-church-history-symposium-2010-richard-bushman-on-joseph-smith-and-the-routinization-of-charisma/comment-page-1/#comment-62472 Jared T. Mon, 01 Mar 2010 17:15:37 +0000 http://www.juvenileinstructor.org/?p=3904#comment-62472 J. on that note, i know I've run into at least one instance where in the Mormon colonies a congregation rejects a bishop by vote and the people are asked to vote for a new person who is then installed. They passed out pieces of paper and write names down, if I recall correctly. J. on that note, i know I’ve run into at least one instance where in the Mormon colonies a congregation rejects a bishop by vote and the people are asked to vote for a new person who is then installed. They passed out pieces of paper and write names down, if I recall correctly.

]]> By: J. Stapley http://www.juvenileinstructor.org/notes-from-the-byu-church-history-symposium-2010-richard-bushman-on-joseph-smith-and-the-routinization-of-charisma/comment-page-1/#comment-62469 J. Stapley Mon, 01 Mar 2010 16:15:54 +0000 http://www.juvenileinstructor.org/?p=3904#comment-62469 I think that there is a lot to discuss with regards to Joseph Smith's routinization of charisma. Particularly Smith's intense ritualization. However, I think things like the Hiram Page affair are a bit more complicate (Robin Jensen's analysis of this in his master's thesis is quite extraordinary, I think). Sure things are very bureaucratic now; but it has been a long time since Joseph Smith. What does it mean that after Joseph Smith's death, there were strong trends of democratic election of Church leaders? I think that there is a lot to discuss with regards to Joseph Smith’s routinization of charisma. Particularly Smith’s intense ritualization. However, I think things like the Hiram Page affair are a bit more complicate (Robin Jensen’s analysis of this in his master’s thesis is quite extraordinary, I think). Sure things are very bureaucratic now; but it has been a long time since Joseph Smith. What does it mean that after Joseph Smith’s death, there were strong trends of democratic election of Church leaders?

]]> By: BHodges http://www.juvenileinstructor.org/notes-from-the-byu-church-history-symposium-2010-richard-bushman-on-joseph-smith-and-the-routinization-of-charisma/comment-page-1/#comment-62465 BHodges Mon, 01 Mar 2010 15:39:26 +0000 http://www.juvenileinstructor.org/?p=3904#comment-62465 Thanks Jared. My notes of <a href="http://www.lifeongoldplates.com/2010/03/hicks-how-to-make-and-unmake-mormon.html" rel="nofollow">Hicks's</a> presentation are available now too. Thanks Jared. My notes of Hicks’s presentation are available now too.

]]> By: Jared T http://www.juvenileinstructor.org/notes-from-the-byu-church-history-symposium-2010-richard-bushman-on-joseph-smith-and-the-routinization-of-charisma/comment-page-1/#comment-62301 Jared T Sat, 27 Feb 2010 18:49:37 +0000 http://www.juvenileinstructor.org/?p=3904#comment-62301 Thank you, Keller. Thank you, Keller.

]]> By: Keller http://www.juvenileinstructor.org/notes-from-the-byu-church-history-symposium-2010-richard-bushman-on-joseph-smith-and-the-routinization-of-charisma/comment-page-1/#comment-62259 Keller Sat, 27 Feb 2010 05:33:06 +0000 http://www.juvenileinstructor.org/?p=3904#comment-62259 Excellent and very descriptive notes as always, Jared T. Good to see you there. Not being a sociologist, I picked up on Weber's model for understanding how charisma becomes routinized in a roundabout way from studying Nibley's <em>Apostles and Bishops in Early Christianity</em>. Nibley contested ideas that early Christianity was purely charismatic and therefore mostly devoid of organization or that spiritual experiences and rationality were mutually exclusive. That isn't to say that I completely understand Weber. His categories make useful distinctions and help identify organizational tensions. In addition to Bushman's address, Weber has been put to good use in Mormon Studies. The authors of the book about the office of presiding patriarch, <em>Lost Legacy</em>, refer to him as well. Excellent and very descriptive notes as always, Jared T. Good to see you there. Not being a sociologist, I picked up on Weber’s model for understanding how charisma becomes routinized in a roundabout way from studying Nibley’s Apostles and Bishops in Early Christianity. Nibley contested ideas that early Christianity was purely charismatic and therefore mostly devoid of organization or that spiritual experiences and rationality were mutually exclusive.

That isn’t to say that I completely understand Weber. His categories make useful distinctions and help identify organizational tensions. In addition to Bushman’s address, Weber has been put to good use in Mormon Studies. The authors of the book about the office of presiding patriarch, Lost Legacy, refer to him as well.

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