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	<title>Comments on: Making Sense of Doctrine and Covenants 39-40; or why it matters that James Covill was a Methodist and not a Baptist</title>
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		<title>By: Christopher</title>
		<link>http://www.juvenileinstructor.org/making-sense-of-james-covill/comment-page-1/#comment-162991</link>
		<dc:creator>Christopher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Jun 2011 21:05:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Mike,

I&#039;m not sure how I missed your comment when you left it in March. To answer, yes, I&#039;m sure that this is James Covel the Methodist. He was not a Deacon, no---he was an ordained Elder. And Methodists didn&#039;t/don&#039;t actually have &quot;priests&quot; (most Protestants of the era rejected the title because of its connotations with Catholicism). Among early LDS, of course, &quot;priest&quot; was a term applied indiscriminately in describing both Catholic and Protestant clergy, and my guess is that&#039;s exactly what&#039;s going on here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Mike,</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure how I missed your comment when you left it in March. To answer, yes, I&#8217;m sure that this is James Covel the Methodist. He was not a Deacon, no&#8212;he was an ordained Elder. And Methodists didn&#8217;t/don&#8217;t actually have &#8220;priests&#8221; (most Protestants of the era rejected the title because of its connotations with Catholicism). Among early LDS, of course, &#8220;priest&#8221; was a term applied indiscriminately in describing both Catholic and Protestant clergy, and my guess is that&#8217;s exactly what&#8217;s going on here.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike MacKay</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike MacKay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Mar 2011 00:21:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Christopher, 
I am excited, but still skeptical.

John Whitmer may have never met Covill and sources don&#039;t call &quot;James&quot;, James Covill until 1839 in A1. 

James Covel, I think, was deacon not a priest. 

If it was a Covill (BC says &quot;C.&quot;) are we sure it was not James Covel from Galen, NY near Fayette?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Christopher,<br />
I am excited, but still skeptical.</p>
<p>John Whitmer may have never met Covill and sources don&#8217;t call &#8220;James&#8221;, James Covill until 1839 in A1. </p>
<p>James Covel, I think, was deacon not a priest. </p>
<p>If it was a Covill (BC says &#8220;C.&#8221;) are we sure it was not James Covel from Galen, NY near Fayette?</p>
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		<title>By: Christopher</title>
		<link>http://www.juvenileinstructor.org/making-sense-of-james-covill/comment-page-1/#comment-89019</link>
		<dc:creator>Christopher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Nov 2010 17:19:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Matt, he remained a Methodist--his son, James Covel, Jr., became a well-known Methodist preacher. I&#039;m currently working on teasing out all of the details of their life story--it&#039;s really quite fascinating.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Matt, he remained a Methodist&#8211;his son, James Covel, Jr., became a well-known Methodist preacher. I&#8217;m currently working on teasing out all of the details of their life story&#8211;it&#8217;s really quite fascinating.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt W.</title>
		<link>http://www.juvenileinstructor.org/making-sense-of-james-covill/comment-page-1/#comment-88949</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt W.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Nov 2010 03:09:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Does anyone know what happened to James Covill after this?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Does anyone know what happened to James Covill after this?</p>
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		<title>By: Juvenile Instructor &#187; The Juvenile Instructor Turns 2</title>
		<link>http://www.juvenileinstructor.org/making-sense-of-james-covill/comment-page-1/#comment-50308</link>
		<dc:creator>Juvenile Instructor &#187; The Juvenile Instructor Turns 2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 17:31:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] degree sought): University of Chicago (MA, Religious Studies) Favorite JI post: Christopher&#8217;s Making Sense of Doctrine and Covenants 39-40; or why it matters that James Covill was a Methodist ... Research Interests: 18th/19th Century Transatlantic Religion/Culture; New England intellectual [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] degree sought): University of Chicago (MA, Religious Studies) Favorite JI post: Christopher&#8217;s Making Sense of Doctrine and Covenants 39-40; or why it matters that James Covill was a Methodist &#8230; Research Interests: 18th/19th Century Transatlantic Religion/Culture; New England intellectual [...]</p>
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		<title>By: J. Stapley</title>
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		<dc:creator>J. Stapley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Aug 2009 18:06:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting question Mark.  The allusion of the text to Paul and his account of conversion at least hints at that.  Ananias, after healing Paul, tells him (Acts 22:16):   &quot;And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.&quot;

I did a quick google books search and that verbiage is ubiquitous; but it does appear to be used by baptists in conjunction with their particular beliefs.  E.g.&lt;em&gt;The Millennial Harbinger:&lt;/em&gt;  &quot;Then we would say, &#039;Arise and be baptized;&#039; and in the liquid, emblematic grave of Jesus, &#039;wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.&#039;&quot;

It would take more work to see if it grew to have a particularly Baptist flavor.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting question Mark.  The allusion of the text to Paul and his account of conversion at least hints at that.  Ananias, after healing Paul, tells him (Acts 22:16):   &#8220;And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.&#8221;</p>
<p>I did a quick google books search and that verbiage is ubiquitous; but it does appear to be used by baptists in conjunction with their particular beliefs.  E.g.<em>The Millennial Harbinger:</em>  &#8220;Then we would say, &#8216;Arise and be baptized;&#8217; and in the liquid, emblematic grave of Jesus, &#8216;wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.&#8217;&#8221;</p>
<p>It would take more work to see if it grew to have a particularly Baptist flavor.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Ashurst-McGee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark Ashurst-McGee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Aug 2009 17:09:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is it possible that the &quot;arise&quot; part of &quot;arise and be baptized&quot; has a connotation of adult or believer baptism (an infant cannot really &quot;arise&quot;) or that it has a connotation of immersion baptism (arising to enter the waters of baptism rather than the passive reception of sprinkling)?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is it possible that the &#8220;arise&#8221; part of &#8220;arise and be baptized&#8221; has a connotation of adult or believer baptism (an infant cannot really &#8220;arise&#8221;) or that it has a connotation of immersion baptism (arising to enter the waters of baptism rather than the passive reception of sprinkling)?</p>
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		<title>By: Researcher</title>
		<link>http://www.juvenileinstructor.org/making-sense-of-james-covill/comment-page-1/#comment-45156</link>
		<dc:creator>Researcher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Aug 2009 17:43:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very interesting post.

I was very interested to find out recently that some of my ancestors lived in the area of Cane Ridge, Kentucky, which was one of the sites associated with the beginning of the Second Great Awakening. I wish I knew more about their involvement in the movement and what, if any, influence it had on their grandson joining the church years later.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very interesting post.</p>
<p>I was very interested to find out recently that some of my ancestors lived in the area of Cane Ridge, Kentucky, which was one of the sites associated with the beginning of the Second Great Awakening. I wish I knew more about their involvement in the movement and what, if any, influence it had on their grandson joining the church years later.</p>
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		<title>By: Jared T</title>
		<link>http://www.juvenileinstructor.org/making-sense-of-james-covill/comment-page-1/#comment-45123</link>
		<dc:creator>Jared T</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Aug 2009 03:55:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Awesomeness!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Awesomeness!</p>
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		<title>By: Edje Jeter</title>
		<link>http://www.juvenileinstructor.org/making-sense-of-james-covill/comment-page-1/#comment-45122</link>
		<dc:creator>Edje Jeter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Aug 2009 03:46:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Congratulations, SC.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Congratulations, SC.</p>
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