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	<title>Comments on: &#8220;Like Moses Wandering In The Desert&#8221;: Sacred Space On Loan In South Texas</title>
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		<title>By: Jared T</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jared T</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Oct 2009 16:27:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chris, thank you for response. 

As I hinted, but never really bore out in the post, I definitely think these saints&#039; physical circumstances have affected worship (by extension, identity and theology). But, I definitely need more information. I&#039;m hoping to spend at least a month (maybe two) next summer living down there with my family and really digging in to these issues. But this is why I want to keep bringing these issues up in a preliminary way here at the JI based on what I came up with in May, so that I can be better prepared to go back. 

Big, as i&#039;ve hinted to in a previous post, is legal status. Also language, and space. These &quot;on the street&quot; aspects of the lives of S. Texas saints have definitely had an effect on how they&#039;ve experienced and shaped their Mormonism. 

Thanks again for the comments!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris, thank you for response. </p>
<p>As I hinted, but never really bore out in the post, I definitely think these saints&#8217; physical circumstances have affected worship (by extension, identity and theology). But, I definitely need more information. I&#8217;m hoping to spend at least a month (maybe two) next summer living down there with my family and really digging in to these issues. But this is why I want to keep bringing these issues up in a preliminary way here at the JI based on what I came up with in May, so that I can be better prepared to go back. </p>
<p>Big, as i&#8217;ve hinted to in a previous post, is legal status. Also language, and space. These &#8220;on the street&#8221; aspects of the lives of S. Texas saints have definitely had an effect on how they&#8217;ve experienced and shaped their Mormonism. </p>
<p>Thanks again for the comments!</p>
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		<title>By: Juvenile Instructor &#187; Book Review: The Madonna of 115th Street: Faith and Community in Italian Harlem, 1880-1950</title>
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		<dc:creator>Juvenile Instructor &#187; Book Review: The Madonna of 115th Street: Faith and Community in Italian Harlem, 1880-1950</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Oct 2009 14:07:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Christopher</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christopher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Oct 2009 12:41:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jared, this is really great stuff. I saw that you posted it the other day, but was swamped with coursework and didn&#039;t want to just breeze through this. I&#039;m glad I waited to give this the attention it deserves. In a day when we talk about 80+% of church members living within relatively close proximity to a temple, it&#039;s good to step back and think of those Saints still without a meetinghouse to call their own.

I&#039;m intrigued by the local members there adopting the &quot;Moses in the wilderness&quot; identity, and wonder how that has affected their collective identity. Does that metaphor, for example, crop up in their Sunday services as they discuss how a lesson relates to their own lives? Has the metaphor led them to (perhaps unintentionally) claim a special relationship with Moses and his followers? I imagine you probably don&#039;t have answers to these questions, but they&#039;re interesting to consider. I&#039;m thinking of this in the way that Robert Orsi argues that the religious lives of Catholic immigrants in Italian Harlem was directly affected by their locality, and the traditions that formed constituted a &quot;theology of the streets.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jared, this is really great stuff. I saw that you posted it the other day, but was swamped with coursework and didn&#8217;t want to just breeze through this. I&#8217;m glad I waited to give this the attention it deserves. In a day when we talk about 80+% of church members living within relatively close proximity to a temple, it&#8217;s good to step back and think of those Saints still without a meetinghouse to call their own.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m intrigued by the local members there adopting the &#8220;Moses in the wilderness&#8221; identity, and wonder how that has affected their collective identity. Does that metaphor, for example, crop up in their Sunday services as they discuss how a lesson relates to their own lives? Has the metaphor led them to (perhaps unintentionally) claim a special relationship with Moses and his followers? I imagine you probably don&#8217;t have answers to these questions, but they&#8217;re interesting to consider. I&#8217;m thinking of this in the way that Robert Orsi argues that the religious lives of Catholic immigrants in Italian Harlem was directly affected by their locality, and the traditions that formed constituted a &#8220;theology of the streets.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Clark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Clark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 23:01:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I grew up in branches that original met in a ward constructed ward house that wasn&#039;t built well (and built largely independent of the Church).  Then we spent the next 15 years in various schools.  (High School, Elementary, etc.)  Stake Conference was always in a High School.  I remember when we got our first ward house (just up the road from us) how excited we were.  Most of the ward, to help fund it, contributed a lot of work.  (This was allowed in those days in the early 80&#039;s)  Unfortuantely it was also built in that era where the Church just imposed floor plans on everyone not taking into consideration the climate differences from Utah.  C&#039;est la vie.  We were still ecstatic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I grew up in branches that original met in a ward constructed ward house that wasn&#8217;t built well (and built largely independent of the Church).  Then we spent the next 15 years in various schools.  (High School, Elementary, etc.)  Stake Conference was always in a High School.  I remember when we got our first ward house (just up the road from us) how excited we were.  Most of the ward, to help fund it, contributed a lot of work.  (This was allowed in those days in the early 80&#8217;s)  Unfortuantely it was also built in that era where the Church just imposed floor plans on everyone not taking into consideration the climate differences from Utah.  C&#8217;est la vie.  We were still ecstatic.</p>
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		<title>By: Jared T</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jared T</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 20:19:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, Mex. I agree. I attended seminary in their home for a little bit when Lisa taught it. She was quite a trooper, as it was early morning Seminary and she was pregnant at the time. Theirs is a great family, and when I went back, I couldn&#039;t believe how big their kids had gotten.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Mex. I agree. I attended seminary in their home for a little bit when Lisa taught it. She was quite a trooper, as it was early morning Seminary and she was pregnant at the time. Theirs is a great family, and when I went back, I couldn&#8217;t believe how big their kids had gotten.</p>
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		<title>By: Mex Davis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mex Davis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 20:10:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pesident Mata (Simon) is my nephew in-law. He is married to my niece Lisa. You have one of the best Stake Presidents in the Southwest. I just love their sprirt and hard work in the area. Latin Saints rock. Thanks for the history lesson.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pesident Mata (Simon) is my nephew in-law. He is married to my niece Lisa. You have one of the best Stake Presidents in the Southwest. I just love their sprirt and hard work in the area. Latin Saints rock. Thanks for the history lesson.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ben</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 19:16:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>fantastic, Jared.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>fantastic, Jared.</p>
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		<title>By: Jared T</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jared T</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 18:42:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Ardis, J. and Mex. 

Mex, I do, he&#039;s a good man and a good friend. When he first came to the area he was my young men&#039;s president. I was, naturally, suspicious of this new guy, but he played it cool and won me over quickly--President Mata.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Ardis, J. and Mex. </p>
<p>Mex, I do, he&#8217;s a good man and a good friend. When he first came to the area he was my young men&#8217;s president. I was, naturally, suspicious of this new guy, but he played it cool and won me over quickly&#8211;President Mata.</p>
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		<title>By: Mex Davis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mex Davis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 17:28:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Do you happen to know the name of the Stake President? Small branches in the church have such meaningful histories to the members. I was raised in the Air force (brat) and we attended church in small biuldings and rented halls for most of my early lfe. They were interesting and come times not quit perfect. I served in Spain on my mission and again we used small apartments as chapels. It does give you some sense of being a pioneer. Great blog, love the spanish speaking Saints.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do you happen to know the name of the Stake President? Small branches in the church have such meaningful histories to the members. I was raised in the Air force (brat) and we attended church in small biuldings and rented halls for most of my early lfe. They were interesting and come times not quit perfect. I served in Spain on my mission and again we used small apartments as chapels. It does give you some sense of being a pioneer. Great blog, love the spanish speaking Saints.</p>
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		<title>By: J. Stapley</title>
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		<dc:creator>J. Stapley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 17:11:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is spectacular stuff, Jared.  That water district building is particularly cool.  I&#039;d trade my chapel for that.

Your work to document the history in this area will serve scholars and the Church for generations.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is spectacular stuff, Jared.  That water district building is particularly cool.  I&#8217;d trade my chapel for that.</p>
<p>Your work to document the history in this area will serve scholars and the Church for generations.</p>
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