Comments on: International Archetypes; or, Mormon Pioneers in Taiwan http://www.juvenileinstructor.org/international-archetypes-or-mormon-pioneers-in-taiwan/ Sun, 14 Mar 2010 18:19:33 -0400 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 By: stan http://www.juvenileinstructor.org/international-archetypes-or-mormon-pioneers-in-taiwan/comment-page-1/#comment-221 stan Mon, 05 Nov 2007 04:12:06 +0000 http://www.juvenileinstructor.org/?p=48#comment-221 I don't mean to exaggerate how often the narrative is shared--it's not it every talk or even in every meeting. But in the five months I spent in Taiwan, I remember hearing it several times. I don’t mean to exaggerate how often the narrative is shared–it’s not it every talk or even in every meeting. But in the five months I spent in Taiwan, I remember hearing it several times.

]]> By: Jettboy http://www.juvenileinstructor.org/international-archetypes-or-mormon-pioneers-in-taiwan/comment-page-1/#comment-220 Jettboy Mon, 05 Nov 2007 00:16:23 +0000 http://www.juvenileinstructor.org/?p=48#comment-220 Although I am surprised by the degree of use of the narrative if you are correct, the use doesn't surprise me. It is more than an historical event in the history of the Church, but a spiritual event equal to the desert travels of Moses and Lehi. Still, I am curious how they interpret those events in relation to themselves. Although I am surprised by the degree of use of the narrative if you are correct, the use doesn’t surprise me. It is more than an historical event in the history of the Church, but a spiritual event equal to the desert travels of Moses and Lehi. Still, I am curious how they interpret those events in relation to themselves.

]]> By: David Grua http://www.juvenileinstructor.org/international-archetypes-or-mormon-pioneers-in-taiwan/comment-page-1/#comment-219 David Grua Sun, 04 Nov 2007 22:20:28 +0000 http://www.juvenileinstructor.org/?p=48#comment-219 Stan: This is a fascinating question---one that I think is deserving of several posts. Eric Eliason has done some work on the image of the Pioneer in our memory and ways in which that image has changed over time (Eliason, "Celebrating Zion," chapter 3). Initially, only those that came with BY's vanguard of 1847 held the title of pioneer. With the founding of the Daughters of the Utah Pioneers, the definition of the pioneer expanded to include all Saints that came to Utah prior to 1869 (the year the railroad was completed). With the twentieth-century expansion and internationalization of the church, we've redefined the pioneer to include those that are new converts. This redefinition coexists and competes with the notion that some Latter-day Saints are descended from "pioneer stock," which some in the Church that I've come in contact with see as an elitest term that constructs difference. I don't think that this is intentional, but it still comes across that way. Stan: This is a fascinating question—one that I think is deserving of several posts. Eric Eliason has done some work on the image of the Pioneer in our memory and ways in which that image has changed over time (Eliason, “Celebrating Zion,” chapter 3). Initially, only those that came with BY’s vanguard of 1847 held the title of pioneer. With the founding of the Daughters of the Utah Pioneers, the definition of the pioneer expanded to include all Saints that came to Utah prior to 1869 (the year the railroad was completed). With the twentieth-century expansion and internationalization of the church, we’ve redefined the pioneer to include those that are new converts.

This redefinition coexists and competes with the notion that some Latter-day Saints are descended from “pioneer stock,” which some in the Church that I’ve come in contact with see as an elitest term that constructs difference. I don’t think that this is intentional, but it still comes across that way.

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