Comments on: Hiram Page’s Seer Stone and Checking Your Sources http://www.juvenileinstructor.org/hiram-pages-seer-stone-and-checking-your-sources/ Fri, 10 Feb 2012 00:20:29 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Jared T http://www.juvenileinstructor.org/hiram-pages-seer-stone-and-checking-your-sources/comment-page-1/#comment-46143 Jared T Wed, 09 Sep 2009 04:14:12 +0000 http://www.juvenileinstructor.org/hiram-pages-seer-stone-and-checking-your-sources/#comment-46143 Shannon, thank you very much for that information. I will be contacting you privately with some questions. Shannon, thank you very much for that information. I will be contacting you privately with some questions.

]]> By: Shannon P. Flynn http://www.juvenileinstructor.org/hiram-pages-seer-stone-and-checking-your-sources/comment-page-1/#comment-46142 Shannon P. Flynn Wed, 09 Sep 2009 03:54:46 +0000 http://www.juvenileinstructor.org/hiram-pages-seer-stone-and-checking-your-sources/#comment-46142 I have found this web-site and discussion totally by accident. I can add a little info. I purchased the "Hiram Page" seer stone from Rick Grunder in '84-'85, I don't remember exactly when at the present moment. It was in my possesion for a period of time. ( There's a substantial story that goes along with that.) I believe Rick Grunder's sale info gives a good provenance, at least from Mayme Koontz to him. I made several attempts to expand it's provenace. Alvin R. Dyer makes the basic claim for it being Hiram Page's. In a foot note at the bottom of page 263 in the 3rd edition of Refiner's Fire he refers to a letter to him from Mayme Koontz. I tried to find that letter. By 1985 Alvin Dyer had passed away, so I tracked down his son and inquired after the letter. Presumably, there was more information in the letter, which would be helpful in making a better determination as to the stone's authenticity. I made no headway with Dyer's son partly due to the fact that the Dyer family was in a small dispute with the LDS church about what of Dyer's material was personal and what belonged to the church. As you can imagine the Church took the more expansive view, the family just the opposite. Anyway, as times were tight in those days I was obliged to sell the stone through Curt Bench to an unknown collector, who remains unknown to me to this day. I took a number of color photos of the stone and still retain those. I hope this has been helpful. I have found this web-site and discussion totally by accident. I can add a little info. I purchased the “Hiram Page” seer stone from Rick Grunder in ’84-’85, I don’t remember exactly when at the present moment. It was in my possesion for a period of time. ( There’s a substantial story that goes along with that.) I believe Rick Grunder’s sale info gives a good provenance, at least from Mayme Koontz to him. I made several attempts to expand it’s provenace. Alvin R. Dyer makes the basic claim for it being Hiram Page’s. In a foot note at the bottom of page 263 in the 3rd edition of Refiner’s Fire he refers to a letter to him from Mayme Koontz. I tried to find that letter. By 1985 Alvin Dyer had passed away, so I tracked down his son and inquired after the letter. Presumably, there was more information in the letter, which would be helpful in making a better determination as to the stone’s authenticity. I made no headway with Dyer’s son partly due to the fact that the Dyer family was in a small dispute with the LDS church about what of Dyer’s material was personal and what belonged to the church. As you can imagine the Church took the more expansive view, the family just the opposite. Anyway, as times were tight in those days I was obliged to sell the stone through Curt Bench to an unknown collector, who remains unknown to me to this day. I took a number of color photos of the stone and still retain those. I hope this has been helpful.

]]> By: Ray http://www.juvenileinstructor.org/hiram-pages-seer-stone-and-checking-your-sources/comment-page-1/#comment-46104 Ray Tue, 08 Sep 2009 15:22:59 +0000 http://www.juvenileinstructor.org/hiram-pages-seer-stone-and-checking-your-sources/#comment-46104 My grandpa Page would be surprised that this is still an issue, "well" past his death to saythe least. My grandpa Page would be surprised that this is still an issue, “well” past his death to saythe least.

]]> By: Juvenile Instructor » In Support of Ron Romig–Please Read http://www.juvenileinstructor.org/hiram-pages-seer-stone-and-checking-your-sources/comment-page-1/#comment-40465 Juvenile Instructor » In Support of Ron Romig–Please Read Mon, 06 Jul 2009 08:09:27 +0000 http://www.juvenileinstructor.org/hiram-pages-seer-stone-and-checking-your-sources/#comment-40465 [...] history, I chose to research the folklore surrounding a significant artifact of Mormon history, the Hiram Page Seer Stone, for my sophomore historical methodology class.  As a budding historian, I found the prospect of [...] [...] history, I chose to research the folklore surrounding a significant artifact of Mormon history, the Hiram Page Seer Stone, for my sophomore historical methodology class.  As a budding historian, I found the prospect of [...]

]]> By: Jared T. http://www.juvenileinstructor.org/hiram-pages-seer-stone-and-checking-your-sources/comment-page-1/#comment-39120 Jared T. Thu, 18 Jun 2009 15:11:23 +0000 http://www.juvenileinstructor.org/hiram-pages-seer-stone-and-checking-your-sources/#comment-39120 Joshua, that's in the other part of the paper...stay tuned :) Joshua, that’s in the other part of the paper…stay tuned :)

]]> By: Joshua http://www.juvenileinstructor.org/hiram-pages-seer-stone-and-checking-your-sources/comment-page-1/#comment-39114 Joshua Thu, 18 Jun 2009 12:53:30 +0000 http://www.juvenileinstructor.org/hiram-pages-seer-stone-and-checking-your-sources/#comment-39114 How did Hiram obtain the stone in the first place? Also, I read that the stone afterward was destroyed and grinded into powder. How did Hiram obtain the stone in the first place?

Also, I read that the stone afterward was destroyed and grinded into powder.

]]> By: Lee Rickerson http://www.juvenileinstructor.org/hiram-pages-seer-stone-and-checking-your-sources/comment-page-1/#comment-24473 Lee Rickerson Thu, 18 Dec 2008 08:25:21 +0000 http://www.juvenileinstructor.org/hiram-pages-seer-stone-and-checking-your-sources/#comment-24473 I find the history of seer and peep stones fascinating. Roberts' A Comprehensive History of the Church vol. VI pg.230 mentions how President Woodruff consecrated Joseph Smith's seer stone on the alter of the newly built Manti Temple. In a footnote he adds: "What became of the Seer Stone immediately after this is not known. The writer knows, however, that it was in the possession of the president of the church for possession of it by him was a matter of conversation between President Joseph F. Smith and himself; and the writer has reasons for knowing that it is now in the possession of the church--this year of 1930." I find the history of seer and peep stones fascinating. Roberts’ A Comprehensive History of the Church vol. VI pg.230 mentions how President Woodruff consecrated Joseph Smith’s seer stone on the alter of the newly built Manti Temple. In a footnote he adds: “What became of the Seer Stone immediately after this is not known. The writer knows, however, that it was in the possession of the president of the church for possession of it by him was a matter of conversation between President Joseph F. Smith and himself; and the writer has reasons for knowing that it is now in the possession of the church–this year of 1930.”

]]> By: Relics | Times & Seasons http://www.juvenileinstructor.org/hiram-pages-seer-stone-and-checking-your-sources/comment-page-1/#comment-23735 Relics | Times & Seasons Tue, 09 Dec 2008 23:44:35 +0000 http://www.juvenileinstructor.org/hiram-pages-seer-stone-and-checking-your-sources/#comment-23735 [...] Joseph Smith only looking through the stone, or at the stone. If Joseph Smith’s seer stone was a Native American gorget or some other treasure yielded up by the earth, then there is perhaps no essential [...] [...] Joseph Smith only looking through the stone, or at the stone. If Joseph Smith’s seer stone was a Native American gorget or some other treasure yielded up by the earth, then there is perhaps no essential [...]

]]> By: Joe Geisner http://www.juvenileinstructor.org/hiram-pages-seer-stone-and-checking-your-sources/comment-page-1/#comment-14043 Joe Geisner Wed, 10 Sep 2008 18:13:13 +0000 http://www.juvenileinstructor.org/hiram-pages-seer-stone-and-checking-your-sources/#comment-14043 As I think about this I wonder if your entire thesis about the mistakes does not laying within the broader idea of Smith and the annihilation of the stone and revelations. Just a thought and thanks for listening. As I think about this I wonder if your entire thesis about the mistakes does not laying within the broader idea of Smith and the annihilation of the stone and revelations.

Just a thought and thanks for listening.

]]> By: Jared T http://www.juvenileinstructor.org/hiram-pages-seer-stone-and-checking-your-sources/comment-page-1/#comment-14029 Jared T Wed, 10 Sep 2008 15:54:22 +0000 http://www.juvenileinstructor.org/hiram-pages-seer-stone-and-checking-your-sources/#comment-14029 I take up that issue of its destruction in the Paper. It was Emer Harris that made the statement and the first time it was published, to my knowledge, was in Mike Quinn's <em>Early Mormonism and the Magic World View</em>. The same Emer Harris says that the revelations were burned. Interestingly, the manuscript record has a little more information about what Harris said about the stone than Quinn puts in his book. Fun Fun. Thanks for the nudge towards Hill. I take up that issue of its destruction in the Paper. It was Emer Harris that made the statement and the first time it was published, to my knowledge, was in Mike Quinn’s Early Mormonism and the Magic World View. The same Emer Harris says that the revelations were burned. Interestingly, the manuscript record has a little more information about what Harris said about the stone than Quinn puts in his book. Fun Fun.

Thanks for the nudge towards Hill.

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