Comments on: Community of Christ Historians (Part Two) http://www.juvenileinstructor.org/community-of-christ-historians-part-two/ Mon, 15 Mar 2010 14:48:38 -0400 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 By: Chrystal Vanel http://www.juvenileinstructor.org/community-of-christ-historians-part-two/comment-page-1/#comment-37713 Chrystal Vanel Sun, 31 May 2009 14:54:25 +0000 http://www.juvenileinstructor.org/?p=998#comment-37713 Hello David, Thanks for the article. You write : "Personally, I would love to do some research on “diasporic” international CofC congregations, like in Switzerland or Canada, made up of Haitian members" Me too !!! I'm doing research on the RLDS/CofC in Haiti. That include Haitians diaspora in Europe and Canada... Hope to publish it. Hello David,

Thanks for the article.

You write : “Personally, I would love to do some research on “diasporic” international CofC congregations, like in Switzerland or Canada, made up of Haitian members”

Me too !!! I’m doing research on the RLDS/CofC in Haiti. That include Haitians diaspora in Europe and Canada… Hope to publish it.

]]> By: Lavina Fielding Anderson http://www.juvenileinstructor.org/community-of-christ-historians-part-two/comment-page-1/#comment-37152 Lavina Fielding Anderson Tue, 26 May 2009 20:39:57 +0000 http://www.juvenileinstructor.org/?p=998#comment-37152 Excellent discussion thread, guys (using the term advisedly, I see). I think that Paul Edwards and Bill Russell have been elements of inclusiveness in the RLDS/Community of Christ tradition, beginning in the 1960s and carrying forward. Paul's interest was primarily theological /philosophical, and I think there just wasn't enough of a base to support a sustained interest, especially when the Community of Christ emphasis was morphing so rapidly. Also, he basically stopped participating in terms of papers/articles after he retired. Bill has kept going strong, however, and has focused his efforts on topics with a strong historical component. He'll be presenting at Sunstone in SLC this summer on his schism research and the manuscript is also supposed to be ready for editing(wahoo!) this summer. Then he's planning to pick up his Lund research again. Excellent discussion thread, guys (using the term advisedly, I see). I think that Paul Edwards and Bill Russell have been elements of inclusiveness in the RLDS/Community of Christ tradition, beginning in the 1960s and carrying forward. Paul’s interest was primarily theological /philosophical, and I think there just wasn’t enough of a base to support a sustained interest, especially when the Community of Christ emphasis was morphing so rapidly. Also, he basically stopped participating in terms of papers/articles after he retired. Bill has kept going strong, however, and has focused his efforts on topics with a strong historical component. He’ll be presenting at Sunstone in SLC this summer on his schism research and the manuscript is also supposed to be ready for editing(wahoo!) this summer. Then he’s planning to pick up his Lund research again.

]]> By: Christopher http://www.juvenileinstructor.org/community-of-christ-historians-part-two/comment-page-1/#comment-37125 Christopher Tue, 26 May 2009 14:56:49 +0000 http://www.juvenileinstructor.org/?p=998#comment-37125 Thanks John. Thanks John.

]]> By: John Hamer http://www.juvenileinstructor.org/community-of-christ-historians-part-two/comment-page-1/#comment-37116 John Hamer Tue, 26 May 2009 12:46:40 +0000 http://www.juvenileinstructor.org/?p=998#comment-37116 All the Strangites consistently and unconsciously use the word <em>Mormon </em>to refer to themselves and their religion. They also use all the "-ite" designations, including referring to themselves as <em>Strangites </em>for clarity. <em>Brighamite </em>is a word regularly used by regular members of the Strangite church --- i.e., it's not just for scholars of schism. All the Strangites consistently and unconsciously use the word Mormon to refer to themselves and their religion. They also use all the “-ite” designations, including referring to themselves as Strangites for clarity. Brighamite is a word regularly used by regular members of the Strangite church — i.e., it’s not just for scholars of schism.

]]> By: Christopher http://www.juvenileinstructor.org/community-of-christ-historians-part-two/comment-page-1/#comment-37096 Christopher Tue, 26 May 2009 06:01:34 +0000 http://www.juvenileinstructor.org/?p=998#comment-37096 Thanks, Jason. That's helpful. Thanks, Jason. That’s helpful.

]]> By: Jason R. Smith http://www.juvenileinstructor.org/community-of-christ-historians-part-two/comment-page-1/#comment-37081 Jason R. Smith Tue, 26 May 2009 03:13:59 +0000 http://www.juvenileinstructor.org/?p=998#comment-37081 <blockquote>On a random side note, do they prefer the monicker “Strangite”? If so, are they the only Latter Day Saint group that positively self-identifies with an “-ite” nickname?</blockquote> Christopher, it has been experience that many groups do not mind the -ite designation - it adds a distinction from the history and teachings of the "Brighamite" church. I'm thinking especially of the Church of Christ (Temple Lot) a/k/a Hedrickites, the Church of Jesus Christ (Cutlerite), and the Church of Jesus Christ (Monongahela, PA) a/k/a Bickertonites. Other groups do mind the added moniker, however. jason

On a random side note, do they prefer the monicker “Strangite”? If so, are they the only Latter Day Saint group that positively self-identifies with an “-ite” nickname?

Christopher, it has been experience that many groups do not mind the -ite designation – it adds a distinction from the history and teachings of the “Brighamite” church. I’m thinking especially of the Church of Christ (Temple Lot) a/k/a Hedrickites, the Church of Jesus Christ (Cutlerite), and the Church of Jesus Christ (Monongahela, PA) a/k/a Bickertonites. Other groups do mind the added moniker, however.

jason

]]> By: Jason R. Smith http://www.juvenileinstructor.org/community-of-christ-historians-part-two/comment-page-1/#comment-37080 Jason R. Smith Tue, 26 May 2009 03:01:59 +0000 http://www.juvenileinstructor.org/?p=998#comment-37080 Great posts, David. I would just add that Ben Madison is now with the Remnant Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, unless there has been a recent change. Great posts, David. I would just add that Ben Madison is now with the Remnant Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, unless there has been a recent change.

]]> By: Christopher http://www.juvenileinstructor.org/community-of-christ-historians-part-two/comment-page-1/#comment-36182 Christopher Fri, 15 May 2009 06:26:03 +0000 http://www.juvenileinstructor.org/?p=998#comment-36182 David, Joe, and John, Thank you each for your answers. I actually thought of Bill Shepherd right after I posted my comment. I agree with you all about his abilities and contributions as a historian. David, thanks for the heads up on Ben Madison. John, I've heard from others similar reports of the Strangites' archives. I also gathered from visiting their website their deep investment in their history. On a random side note, do they prefer the monicker "Strangite"? If so, are they the only Latter Day Saint group that positively self-identifies with an "-ite" nickname? David, Joe, and John,

Thank you each for your answers. I actually thought of Bill Shepherd right after I posted my comment. I agree with you all about his abilities and contributions as a historian.

David, thanks for the heads up on Ben Madison.

John, I’ve heard from others similar reports of the Strangites’ archives. I also gathered from visiting their website their deep investment in their history. On a random side note, do they prefer the monicker “Strangite”? If so, are they the only Latter Day Saint group that positively self-identifies with an “-ite” nickname?

]]> By: John Hamer http://www.juvenileinstructor.org/community-of-christ-historians-part-two/comment-page-1/#comment-36178 John Hamer Fri, 15 May 2009 05:10:16 +0000 http://www.juvenileinstructor.org/?p=998#comment-36178 Christopher --- I'm actually here in Voree, Wisconsin, spending a week interviewing the Strangites and pouring through their rich archives. It's been absolutely incredible. They have a deep Mormon tradition of record-keeping and thus their records are mountainous. But these are primarily chronicles. We have events, conference minutes, periodicals, diaries, letters, corporate records/tithing records, etc. But it's definitely vernacular history. They haven't had any members with college and graduate training in history yet. They're still awaiting that. But when that person emerges, they will be heir to a treasure trove. Meanwhile, as Dave & Joe point out, they've been blessed with a wonderful self-trained researchers like Bill Shepard. Even though Bill has focused primarily on early church history, he's done wonders organizing the church's archives and library for the benefit of future researchers. Beyond Bill, the Strangites in general have a deep interest in their history. As focused as people accuse LDS Mormons of being on history, the Strangites are all that and moreso. They know their stuff. You can have endless discussions with the folks here. I'm really looking forward to church this Saturday. Christopher — I’m actually here in Voree, Wisconsin, spending a week interviewing the Strangites and pouring through their rich archives. It’s been absolutely incredible. They have a deep Mormon tradition of record-keeping and thus their records are mountainous. But these are primarily chronicles. We have events, conference minutes, periodicals, diaries, letters, corporate records/tithing records, etc. But it’s definitely vernacular history. They haven’t had any members with college and graduate training in history yet. They’re still awaiting that. But when that person emerges, they will be heir to a treasure trove.

Meanwhile, as Dave & Joe point out, they’ve been blessed with a wonderful self-trained researchers like Bill Shepard. Even though Bill has focused primarily on early church history, he’s done wonders organizing the church’s archives and library for the benefit of future researchers.

Beyond Bill, the Strangites in general have a deep interest in their history. As focused as people accuse LDS Mormons of being on history, the Strangites are all that and moreso. They know their stuff. You can have endless discussions with the folks here. I’m really looking forward to church this Saturday.

]]> By: Joe Geisner http://www.juvenileinstructor.org/community-of-christ-historians-part-two/comment-page-1/#comment-36059 Joe Geisner Wed, 13 May 2009 18:21:05 +0000 http://www.juvenileinstructor.org/?p=998#comment-36059 Joel #10, I would love a pdf copy. My email address is rbssman "at" gmail "dot" com. David, I concur about Bill Shepherd. He is a very good historian with excellent research skills. His work on the Hodge brothers is a great example. Joel #10,

I would love a pdf copy. My email address is rbssman “at” gmail “dot” com.

David,

I concur about Bill Shepherd. He is a very good historian with excellent research skills. His work on the Hodge brothers is a great example.

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