Comments on: Book Review: An Uncommon Common Pioneer: The Journals of James Henry Martineau, 1828-1918 http://www.juvenileinstructor.org/book-review-an-uncommon-common-pioneer-the-journals-of-james-henry-martineau-1828-1918/ Fri, 10 Feb 2012 00:20:29 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: By Common Consent » 2008 BCC Christmas gift book guide http://www.juvenileinstructor.org/book-review-an-uncommon-common-pioneer-the-journals-of-james-henry-martineau-1828-1918/comment-page-1/#comment-23339 By Common Consent » 2008 BCC Christmas gift book guide Thu, 04 Dec 2008 13:01:36 +0000 http://www.juvenileinstructor.org/book-review-an-uncommon-common-pioneer-the-journals-of-james-henry-martineau-1828-1918/#comment-23339 [...] take their Mormon history strait up, try either of these volumes. The Martineau diaries (reviewed here) are both massive and significant. The Smart bio (reviewed here) includes a CD with thousands of [...] [...] take their Mormon history strait up, try either of these volumes. The Martineau diaries (reviewed here) are both massive and significant. The Smart bio (reviewed here) includes a CD with thousands of [...]

]]> By: Juvenile Instructor » Forthcoming and Recently Published Books on Mormon and Utah History http://www.juvenileinstructor.org/book-review-an-uncommon-common-pioneer-the-journals-of-james-henry-martineau-1828-1918/comment-page-1/#comment-21286 Juvenile Instructor » Forthcoming and Recently Published Books on Mormon and Utah History Thu, 13 Nov 2008 03:42:04 +0000 http://www.juvenileinstructor.org/book-review-an-uncommon-common-pioneer-the-journals-of-james-henry-martineau-1828-1918/#comment-21286 [...] -An Uncommon Pioneer: The Journals of James Henry Martineau, 1828-1918. Edited by Donald G. Godfrey and Rebecca S. Martineau-McCarty.  See a review here. [...] [...] -An Uncommon Pioneer: The Journals of James Henry Martineau, 1828-1918. Edited by Donald G. Godfrey and Rebecca S. Martineau-McCarty.  See a review here. [...]

]]> By: N. Carmack http://www.juvenileinstructor.org/book-review-an-uncommon-common-pioneer-the-journals-of-james-henry-martineau-1828-1918/comment-page-1/#comment-19080 N. Carmack Fri, 24 Oct 2008 15:52:33 +0000 http://www.juvenileinstructor.org/book-review-an-uncommon-common-pioneer-the-journals-of-james-henry-martineau-1828-1918/#comment-19080 Joe, I don't remember encountering a Viroqua in the journals. Is it a name referred to in another document or is there, perhaps, an alternate spelling to the name? I do know of Cora, a Colorado-Ute girl whom Martineau "bought" when she was 2 or 3 years old to raise as a daughter. He later sold her to an A. B. Cherry (see entries for Sept. 10, 1856 and January 8, 1897). Cherry evidently raised her to adulthood. Cora later had a child (Joseph Hyrum) with one Joseph Johnson, whom she never married. Martineau says, he "betrayed" her under promise of marriage. Many years later, after learning that Cora died, Martineau makes an interesting remark in his entry of January 8, 1897, where he desired to have her temple work performed and to be sealed to her and her son, writing "The spirit approves this, and saith unto me--take her to wife and it shall be approved of God." It seems that he does this more out of duty and respect to her for never having had a ratified marriage in life. He always referred to Joseph as his grandson. Is this the same individual, or are you referring to someone I am unaware of? Joe,
I don’t remember encountering a Viroqua in the journals. Is it a name referred to in another document or is there, perhaps, an alternate spelling to the name? I do know of Cora, a Colorado-Ute girl whom Martineau “bought” when she was 2 or 3 years old to raise as a daughter. He later sold her to an A. B. Cherry (see entries for Sept. 10, 1856 and January 8, 1897). Cherry evidently raised her to adulthood. Cora later had a child (Joseph Hyrum) with one Joseph Johnson, whom she never married. Martineau says, he “betrayed” her under promise of marriage.

Many years later, after learning that Cora died, Martineau makes an interesting remark in his entry of January 8, 1897, where he desired to have her temple work performed and to be sealed to her and her son, writing “The spirit approves this, and saith unto me–take her to wife and it shall be approved of God.”

It seems that he does this more out of duty and respect to her for never having had a ratified marriage in life. He always referred to Joseph as his grandson.

Is this the same individual, or are you referring to someone I am unaware of?

]]> By: Joe Geisner http://www.juvenileinstructor.org/book-review-an-uncommon-common-pioneer-the-journals-of-james-henry-martineau-1828-1918/comment-page-1/#comment-18678 Joe Geisner Tue, 21 Oct 2008 18:26:55 +0000 http://www.juvenileinstructor.org/book-review-an-uncommon-common-pioneer-the-journals-of-james-henry-martineau-1828-1918/#comment-18678 Noel, Do you know who Viroqua Johnson was in relation to Martineau? She is a native Indian, but I cannot figure out if she was someone he wanted to marry or have as a daughter. Noel,

Do you know who Viroqua Johnson was in relation to Martineau? She is a native Indian, but I cannot figure out if she was someone he wanted to marry or have as a daughter.

]]> By: Joe Geisner http://www.juvenileinstructor.org/book-review-an-uncommon-common-pioneer-the-journals-of-james-henry-martineau-1828-1918/comment-page-1/#comment-18573 Joe Geisner Tue, 21 Oct 2008 05:40:22 +0000 http://www.juvenileinstructor.org/book-review-an-uncommon-common-pioneer-the-journals-of-james-henry-martineau-1828-1918/#comment-18573 Noel, Justin is correct and I apologize for not being more clear. BYU Studies had announced in July that they would be publishing two volumes of Mountain Meadows documents related to "Massacre at Mountain Meadows". One volume was to have been the next volume of the journal and the second volume is to be a hardbound book like what was done with Roberts "The Truth, the Way, and the Life". Again, I am sorry for not being more clear. Noel,

Justin is correct and I apologize for not being more clear. BYU Studies had announced in July that they would be publishing two volumes of Mountain Meadows documents related to “Massacre at Mountain Meadows”. One volume was to have been the next volume of the journal and the second volume is to be a hardbound book like what was done with Roberts “The Truth, the Way, and the Life”. Again, I am sorry for not being more clear.

]]> By: Justin http://www.juvenileinstructor.org/book-review-an-uncommon-common-pioneer-the-journals-of-james-henry-martineau-1828-1918/comment-page-1/#comment-18525 Justin Mon, 20 Oct 2008 23:47:33 +0000 http://www.juvenileinstructor.org/book-review-an-uncommon-common-pioneer-the-journals-of-james-henry-martineau-1828-1918/#comment-18525 Actually, I think Joe was referring to the delayed publication of Mountain Meadows Massacre documents, not to the Martineau journals. Actually, I think Joe was referring to the delayed publication of Mountain Meadows Massacre documents, not to the Martineau journals.

]]> By: N. Carmack http://www.juvenileinstructor.org/book-review-an-uncommon-common-pioneer-the-journals-of-james-henry-martineau-1828-1918/comment-page-1/#comment-18492 N. Carmack Mon, 20 Oct 2008 19:36:44 +0000 http://www.juvenileinstructor.org/book-review-an-uncommon-common-pioneer-the-journals-of-james-henry-martineau-1828-1918/#comment-18492 Sorry, I had a few typos of my own. -N Sorry, I had a few typos of my own. -N

]]> By: N. Carmack http://www.juvenileinstructor.org/book-review-an-uncommon-common-pioneer-the-journals-of-james-henry-martineau-1828-1918/comment-page-1/#comment-18482 N. Carmack Mon, 20 Oct 2008 18:22:55 +0000 http://www.juvenileinstructor.org/book-review-an-uncommon-common-pioneer-the-journals-of-james-henry-martineau-1828-1918/#comment-18482 Joe and Justin, I think the fact that there will be two separate editions has been a bit garbled in the last few posts. The Religious Studies Center (RSC) has produced their edited edition of the Martineau Journals and we (Chick Hatch and I) will be producing another edited edition of the Martineau Journals through USU Press. It was an unfortunate duplication of effort that BYU began theirs about the same time that we started ours. The just happened complete theirs sooner than we have. Unless I've been misinformed, BYU Studies has nothing whatsoever to do with the Martineau Journals. Although they are competing volumes, we hope to produce an edition that will include additional material which will better inform some of Martineau's journal entries. Readers will have to decide for themselves which is the better edition of the two. Will, You bring up some important questions about Martineau's account of the massacre and the chronology leading up to it. Was he forgetful or lying? Having gained a greater appreciation for his strength of character and integrity, I doubt he was lying. We should note for those who read this blog that Martineau was on a scouting expedition on the lower forks of the Sevier River during the massacre. So he NOWHERE near the killing fields when it happened! I choose to believe that Martineau's 50-year memory was tainted by misinformation. He may have provided misleading information or excluded other facts to protect Dame and others involved, but I doubt he was intentionally lying. It simply wasn't his "MO" to do such a thing. My feeling is that the letter reflects what Martineau was told about the massacre...and/or told what to say of it. Joe and Justin,
I think the fact that there will be two separate editions has been a bit garbled in the last few posts. The Religious Studies Center (RSC) has produced their edited edition of the Martineau Journals and we (Chick Hatch and I) will be producing another edited edition of the Martineau Journals through USU Press. It was an unfortunate duplication of effort that BYU began theirs about the same time that we started ours. The just happened complete theirs sooner than we have. Unless I’ve been misinformed, BYU Studies has nothing whatsoever to do with the Martineau Journals.

Although they are competing volumes, we hope to produce an edition that will include additional material which will better inform some of Martineau’s journal entries. Readers will have to decide for themselves which is the better edition of the two.

Will,
You bring up some important questions about Martineau’s account of the massacre and the chronology leading up to it. Was he forgetful or lying? Having gained a greater appreciation for his strength of character and integrity, I doubt he was lying. We should note for those who read this blog that Martineau was on a scouting expedition on the lower forks of the Sevier River during the massacre. So he NOWHERE near the killing fields when it happened! I choose to believe that Martineau’s 50-year memory was tainted by misinformation. He may have provided misleading information or excluded other facts to protect Dame and others involved, but I doubt he was intentionally lying. It simply wasn’t his “MO” to do such a thing. My feeling is that the letter reflects what Martineau was told about the massacre…and/or told what to say of it.

]]> By: J. Stapley http://www.juvenileinstructor.org/book-review-an-uncommon-common-pioneer-the-journals-of-james-henry-martineau-1828-1918/comment-page-1/#comment-18098 J. Stapley Fri, 17 Oct 2008 18:51:51 +0000 http://www.juvenileinstructor.org/book-review-an-uncommon-common-pioneer-the-journals-of-james-henry-martineau-1828-1918/#comment-18098 I missed that too, Justin. What is the skinny? I missed that too, Justin. What is the skinny?

]]> By: Justin http://www.juvenileinstructor.org/book-review-an-uncommon-common-pioneer-the-journals-of-james-henry-martineau-1828-1918/comment-page-1/#comment-18095 Justin Fri, 17 Oct 2008 18:28:16 +0000 http://www.juvenileinstructor.org/book-review-an-uncommon-common-pioneer-the-journals-of-james-henry-martineau-1828-1918/#comment-18095 <em>I also look forward to the document volumes and was sad to hear they are delayed, possibly for months or longer. I feel bad for BYU Studies wanting to create excitement about the volumes and then having the rug pulled out from under them.</em> Wow, I missed hearing this piece of news. I also look forward to the document volumes and was sad to hear they are delayed, possibly for months or longer. I feel bad for BYU Studies wanting to create excitement about the volumes and then having the rug pulled out from under them.

Wow, I missed hearing this piece of news.

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