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	<title>Comments on: Benchmark Books Lecture: George Smith on Nauvoo Polygamy</title>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Feb 2009 21:55:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK.  I agree with that.  I read a couple good reviews from FARMS a few years ago.  At the time I was interested in Purchasing The Wives of Joseph Smith by Todd Compton.  I read FARMS review of it and then decided against buying it. A couple of months later I ran across it again and purchased it.  

When I was done I reread the FARMS review which was now obviously inaccurate.  The FARMS review was similar to the anti-mormon literature out there and almost outlandishly dogmatic.  Obviously the reviewer was offended that someone had published a book about Joseph Smith having more than one wife.  

The only aspect of  the review that held water was the fact that Compton filled in some of the blanks on his own.  Although he did have a point I didn&#039;t agree that it was a reason to condemn the book for two reasons.  First, it was the only way to make the book read fluidly and not like a bunch of statistics.  Second Compton made it obvious whenever he was making an assumption, which let the reader decide for himself.

One thing that I feel the review did was help to support the distance that the Church is producing between itself and polygamy.  I fail to see any good being done by an inaccurate review.  My take on the book was that it was very well researched and presented a lot of valuable information.  I have yet to meet a historian that has only read one book in his area of expertise.  Although it is not an all inclusive treatise on polygamy and Joseph Smith it moves the reader one step closer in understanding how people in that time period felt and why they did what they did.  Isn&#039;t that why we read history anyways.  

I guess in a sense I agree with the comments then.  This was the last FARMS review that I have read.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK.  I agree with that.  I read a couple good reviews from FARMS a few years ago.  At the time I was interested in Purchasing The Wives of Joseph Smith by Todd Compton.  I read FARMS review of it and then decided against buying it. A couple of months later I ran across it again and purchased it.  </p>
<p>When I was done I reread the FARMS review which was now obviously inaccurate.  The FARMS review was similar to the anti-mormon literature out there and almost outlandishly dogmatic.  Obviously the reviewer was offended that someone had published a book about Joseph Smith having more than one wife.  </p>
<p>The only aspect of  the review that held water was the fact that Compton filled in some of the blanks on his own.  Although he did have a point I didn&#8217;t agree that it was a reason to condemn the book for two reasons.  First, it was the only way to make the book read fluidly and not like a bunch of statistics.  Second Compton made it obvious whenever he was making an assumption, which let the reader decide for himself.</p>
<p>One thing that I feel the review did was help to support the distance that the Church is producing between itself and polygamy.  I fail to see any good being done by an inaccurate review.  My take on the book was that it was very well researched and presented a lot of valuable information.  I have yet to meet a historian that has only read one book in his area of expertise.  Although it is not an all inclusive treatise on polygamy and Joseph Smith it moves the reader one step closer in understanding how people in that time period felt and why they did what they did.  Isn&#8217;t that why we read history anyways.  </p>
<p>I guess in a sense I agree with the comments then.  This was the last FARMS review that I have read.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ben</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Feb 2009 20:15:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mike: we are just playing off of the fact that FARMS (often embodied in Midgley) are quick to attack what they feel is too &quot;humanistic&quot; history.

Whether their attacks are accurate or not, many feel they may go over the top.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike: we are just playing off of the fact that FARMS (often embodied in Midgley) are quick to attack what they feel is too &#8220;humanistic&#8221; history.</p>
<p>Whether their attacks are accurate or not, many feel they may go over the top.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Feb 2009 06:13:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;
No Lou Midgley appearance?

Comment by Deep Sea — December 31, 2008 @ 3:58 am
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Deep Sea: hahahahahahahahahahahaha, sadly it appears not.

We’ll just have to wait for the FARMS response in print. Maybe they will devote a whole issue? *shudder*

Comment by Ben — December 31, 2008 @ 11:24 am
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What am I missing?</description>
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No Lou Midgley appearance?</p>
<p>Comment by Deep Sea — December 31, 2008 @ 3:58 am<br />
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<p>Deep Sea: hahahahahahahahahahahaha, sadly it appears not.</p>
<p>We’ll just have to wait for the FARMS response in print. Maybe they will devote a whole issue? *shudder*</p>
<p>Comment by Ben — December 31, 2008 @ 11:24 am<br />
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<p>What am I missing?</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Feb 2009 08:05:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;I was doing a little bit of reading for the William Clayton Journals, and I noticed that William Clayton mentions Joseph Smith having several wives, and talks about some of the pleasant relationships, and some of the difficult relationships with the women, and with Emma.  There’s a certain amount of struggle in that picture, so my curiosity was sort of stimulated by working on Clayton, and I started asking people how many plural wives did Joseph have, and what about all these other people?  It was apparent that, that’s not a subject that was raised within the LDS community, or the other Mormon communities that we just mentioned.&lt;/strong&gt;

This is what happened to me.  I was reading all of this early church history when I kept running into the &quot;P&quot; word.  Having been raised in the church I knew all about it.  &lt;em&gt;When the Saints came across the plains the men worked themselves to death and there were all of these widows that couldn&#039;t take care of themselves. The few men that were left had to take all of these widows in and provide for them even though they didn&#039;t want to.&lt;/em&gt; They still tell that story apologetically in my gospel doctrine class.  

After reading countless journals and early church history I had developed my own picture.  There was no apologizing and they actually defended it.  Near the time of the first Manifesto they actually held special priesthood conferences to encourage more men to enter into polygamy.  At the same time the women in the church formed a group to defend polygamy.  

I have wondered many times if the early Prophets and Apostles are as embarrassed of us, as the church is today of polygamy.  At one point those that served time in prison for polygamy offered the Hosanna shout from inside the prison.  Just because we acknowledge that it did happened doesn&#039;t mean that we want to revive the practice.  

&lt;strong&gt;Q:  In your research do you encounter the idea that Joseph is perhaps working on a revelation plan?  That he knew who his wives were supposed to be when he came here?

GS:  When he came where?

Q:  Into mortality?

GS:  Which wife?

Q:  In a prior life did he have an idea who his wives should be when he came here?

GS:  Who all his wives would be?

Q:  Not necessarily, but any of them.  As he encountered them, recognized them?

GS:  The question is.  Did Joseph give any signals that he knew who his wives were going to be?  I’m not aware that he did, I think that would be a remarkable thought to pursue.  If you found examples of that, I think that would be something to publish an article on.&lt;/strong&gt;

I remember reading this in a book or journal at one time too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>I was doing a little bit of reading for the William Clayton Journals, and I noticed that William Clayton mentions Joseph Smith having several wives, and talks about some of the pleasant relationships, and some of the difficult relationships with the women, and with Emma.  There’s a certain amount of struggle in that picture, so my curiosity was sort of stimulated by working on Clayton, and I started asking people how many plural wives did Joseph have, and what about all these other people?  It was apparent that, that’s not a subject that was raised within the LDS community, or the other Mormon communities that we just mentioned.</strong></p>
<p>This is what happened to me.  I was reading all of this early church history when I kept running into the &#8220;P&#8221; word.  Having been raised in the church I knew all about it.  <em>When the Saints came across the plains the men worked themselves to death and there were all of these widows that couldn&#8217;t take care of themselves. The few men that were left had to take all of these widows in and provide for them even though they didn&#8217;t want to.</em> They still tell that story apologetically in my gospel doctrine class.  </p>
<p>After reading countless journals and early church history I had developed my own picture.  There was no apologizing and they actually defended it.  Near the time of the first Manifesto they actually held special priesthood conferences to encourage more men to enter into polygamy.  At the same time the women in the church formed a group to defend polygamy.  </p>
<p>I have wondered many times if the early Prophets and Apostles are as embarrassed of us, as the church is today of polygamy.  At one point those that served time in prison for polygamy offered the Hosanna shout from inside the prison.  Just because we acknowledge that it did happened doesn&#8217;t mean that we want to revive the practice.  </p>
<p><strong>Q:  In your research do you encounter the idea that Joseph is perhaps working on a revelation plan?  That he knew who his wives were supposed to be when he came here?</p>
<p>GS:  When he came where?</p>
<p>Q:  Into mortality?</p>
<p>GS:  Which wife?</p>
<p>Q:  In a prior life did he have an idea who his wives should be when he came here?</p>
<p>GS:  Who all his wives would be?</p>
<p>Q:  Not necessarily, but any of them.  As he encountered them, recognized them?</p>
<p>GS:  The question is.  Did Joseph give any signals that he knew who his wives were going to be?  I’m not aware that he did, I think that would be a remarkable thought to pursue.  If you found examples of that, I think that would be something to publish an article on.</strong></p>
<p>I remember reading this in a book or journal at one time too.</p>
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		<title>By: John Hamer</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Hamer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jan 2009 03:35:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for providing this transcription.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for providing this transcription.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ben</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 2008 16:24:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Deep Sea: hahahahahahahahahahahaha, sadly it appears not.

We&#039;ll just have to wait for the FARMS response in print. Maybe they will devote a whole issue? *shudder*</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Deep Sea: hahahahahahahahahahahaha, sadly it appears not.</p>
<p>We&#8217;ll just have to wait for the FARMS response in print. Maybe they will devote a whole issue? *shudder*</p>
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		<title>By: Deep Sea</title>
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		<dc:creator>Deep Sea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 2008 08:58:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No Lou Midgley appearance?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No Lou Midgley appearance?</p>
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		<title>By: J. Stapley</title>
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		<dc:creator>J. Stapley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Dec 2008 17:35:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Agreed, thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agreed, thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ben</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Dec 2008 16:27:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for this, Jared and Brent.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for this, Jared and Brent.</p>
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