Comments on: B. H. Roberts and Pragmatism. Part III on William James and Mormonism http://www.juvenileinstructor.org/b-h-roberts-and-pragmatism-part-iii-on-william-james-and-mormonism/ Fri, 12 Mar 2010 00:48:36 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 By: Splendid Sun » A Textual History of the KFD, Part II http://www.juvenileinstructor.org/b-h-roberts-and-pragmatism-part-iii-on-william-james-and-mormonism/comment-page-1/#comment-8026 Splendid Sun » A Textual History of the KFD, Part II Thu, 05 Jun 2008 22:53:36 +0000 http://www.juvenileinstructor.org/b-h-roberts-and-pragmatism-part-iii-on-william-james-and-mormonism/#comment-8026 [...] is uncertain why Robert’s used this term, however as Justin pointed out, the Times and Seasons printing of the Book of Abraham (3 [March 15, 1842], 720, vs. 21 [Abraham [...] [...] is uncertain why Robert’s used this term, however as Justin pointed out, the Times and Seasons printing of the Book of Abraham (3 [March 15, 1842], 720, vs. 21 [Abraham [...]

]]> By: BHodges http://www.juvenileinstructor.org/b-h-roberts-and-pragmatism-part-iii-on-william-james-and-mormonism/comment-page-1/#comment-3312 BHodges Wed, 05 Mar 2008 18:44:50 +0000 http://www.juvenileinstructor.org/b-h-roberts-and-pragmatism-part-iii-on-william-james-and-mormonism/#comment-3312 <blockquote>BHodges, Brigham was fairly clear in public and private about spirit annihilation, tons of references over decades.</blockquote> I agree. That's why I was kind of surprised to see him hedge his bet in the JD. I'll see if I can track it down. At the least, it was a comment about that teaching not being important to our salvation, etc. but I think BY hints at it being speculation, though speculation he held to tightly.

BHodges, Brigham was fairly clear in public and private about spirit annihilation, tons of references over decades.

I agree. That’s why I was kind of surprised to see him hedge his bet in the JD. I’ll see if I can track it down. At the least, it was a comment about that teaching not being important to our salvation, etc. but I think BY hints at it being speculation, though speculation he held to tightly.

]]> By: stan http://www.juvenileinstructor.org/b-h-roberts-and-pragmatism-part-iii-on-william-james-and-mormonism/comment-page-1/#comment-3226 stan Sat, 01 Mar 2008 04:50:32 +0000 http://www.juvenileinstructor.org/b-h-roberts-and-pragmatism-part-iii-on-william-james-and-mormonism/#comment-3226 I wonder if intelligencies, in addition to being a typographical variant, might also reflect a common nineteenth-century pronunciation. I wonder if intelligencies, in addition to being a typographical variant, might also reflect a common nineteenth-century pronunciation.

]]> By: Clark http://www.juvenileinstructor.org/b-h-roberts-and-pragmatism-part-iii-on-william-james-and-mormonism/comment-page-1/#comment-3212 Clark Fri, 29 Feb 2008 19:32:31 +0000 http://www.juvenileinstructor.org/b-h-roberts-and-pragmatism-part-iii-on-william-james-and-mormonism/#comment-3212 I didn't know Hauglid was publishing a critical edition. Hats off to him. I've been so busy the last year I'm far too ignorant of a lot of happenings. I didn’t know Hauglid was publishing a critical edition. Hats off to him. I’ve been so busy the last year I’m far too ignorant of a lot of happenings.

]]> By: Clark http://www.juvenileinstructor.org/b-h-roberts-and-pragmatism-part-iii-on-william-james-and-mormonism/comment-page-1/#comment-3211 Clark Fri, 29 Feb 2008 19:31:17 +0000 http://www.juvenileinstructor.org/b-h-roberts-and-pragmatism-part-iii-on-william-james-and-mormonism/#comment-3211 Sorry, the perhaps was about Elder Jensen getting the Abraham materials out. I did catch the joke though. I actually think we agree but just disagree about how widespread bad tone is. Having railed on about tone when I contributed to FAIR for a few years and seen many others worry about that a lot I think it gets too much 'press.' (Which is not to excuse poor tone). As I said at the Wasp though I've seen far too much poor tone in regular academics as well though. There is, for example, <i>huge</i> antagonism between so-called postmodernists and analytic philosophers that makes the FARMS/Signature fight of the early 90's seem positively tame and respectful. (Sorry - apologize for the tangent) What I think we can agree on is that it is embarrassing that Brent and his collaborators have full color photos of the texts whereas more faithful Mormon scholars are completely out of luck. Sorry, the perhaps was about Elder Jensen getting the Abraham materials out. I did catch the joke though. I actually think we agree but just disagree about how widespread bad tone is. Having railed on about tone when I contributed to FAIR for a few years and seen many others worry about that a lot I think it gets too much ‘press.’ (Which is not to excuse poor tone). As I said at the Wasp though I’ve seen far too much poor tone in regular academics as well though. There is, for example, huge antagonism between so-called postmodernists and analytic philosophers that makes the FARMS/Signature fight of the early 90’s seem positively tame and respectful.

(Sorry – apologize for the tangent)

What I think we can agree on is that it is embarrassing that Brent and his collaborators have full color photos of the texts whereas more faithful Mormon scholars are completely out of luck.

]]> By: J. Stapley http://www.juvenileinstructor.org/b-h-roberts-and-pragmatism-part-iii-on-william-james-and-mormonism/comment-page-1/#comment-3210 J. Stapley Fri, 29 Feb 2008 19:30:04 +0000 http://www.juvenileinstructor.org/b-h-roberts-and-pragmatism-part-iii-on-william-james-and-mormonism/#comment-3210 Justin, I thought that Brian Hauglid was preparing a full color edition as well. I'm still curious about the BoA mss from the Nauvoo work. Where are those held? Are they part of the KEP? BHodges, Brigham was fairly clear in public and private about spirit annihilation, tons of references over decades. I went through and looked at how "intelligencies" pops up in the <em>JD</em>. It appears that they use it exactly how they use "intelligence." Brigham is pretty clear hear. he notes that "spirit element" is used to create a spirit/intelligence and that there is no mind before that creation. Justin, I thought that Brian Hauglid was preparing a full color edition as well. I’m still curious about the BoA mss from the Nauvoo work. Where are those held? Are they part of the KEP?

BHodges, Brigham was fairly clear in public and private about spirit annihilation, tons of references over decades.

I went through and looked at how “intelligencies” pops up in the JD. It appears that they use it exactly how they use “intelligence.” Brigham is pretty clear hear. he notes that “spirit element” is used to create a spirit/intelligence and that there is no mind before that creation.

]]> By: smb http://www.juvenileinstructor.org/b-h-roberts-and-pragmatism-part-iii-on-william-james-and-mormonism/comment-page-1/#comment-3208 smb Fri, 29 Feb 2008 19:20:46 +0000 http://www.juvenileinstructor.org/b-h-roberts-and-pragmatism-part-iii-on-william-james-and-mormonism/#comment-3208 Brian Hauglid is doing a KEP, due out within the next year or so. He's doing a great job with it, and he's working from BYU, so I suspect a JSP would be redundant. I've spoken with him about his work; he's quite credible, and I'm looking forward to the edition. Brian Hauglid is doing a KEP, due out within the next year or so. He’s doing a great job with it, and he’s working from BYU, so I suspect a JSP would be redundant. I’ve spoken with him about his work; he’s quite credible, and I’m looking forward to the edition.

]]> By: Justin http://www.juvenileinstructor.org/b-h-roberts-and-pragmatism-part-iii-on-william-james-and-mormonism/comment-page-1/#comment-3207 Justin Fri, 29 Feb 2008 19:18:59 +0000 http://www.juvenileinstructor.org/b-h-roberts-and-pragmatism-part-iii-on-william-james-and-mormonism/#comment-3207 I thought FARMS was working on an independent project to publish the manuscripts. I thought FARMS was working on an independent project to publish the manuscripts.

]]> By: BHodges http://www.juvenileinstructor.org/b-h-roberts-and-pragmatism-part-iii-on-william-james-and-mormonism/comment-page-1/#comment-3206 BHodges Fri, 29 Feb 2008 19:18:41 +0000 http://www.juvenileinstructor.org/b-h-roberts-and-pragmatism-part-iii-on-william-james-and-mormonism/#comment-3206 I have a JD quote somewhere in which Brigham hedges his bet a little on the annihilation issue. I believe he was pretty committed to the issue, but perhaps not as much as it seems. (Or maybe he was taking audience into consideration. Either way, it is an interesting quote, I'll see if I can track it down.) I have a JD quote somewhere in which Brigham hedges his bet a little on the annihilation issue. I believe he was pretty committed to the issue, but perhaps not as much as it seems. (Or maybe he was taking audience into consideration. Either way, it is an interesting quote, I’ll see if I can track it down.)

]]> By: Christopher http://www.juvenileinstructor.org/b-h-roberts-and-pragmatism-part-iii-on-william-james-and-mormonism/comment-page-1/#comment-3204 Christopher Fri, 29 Feb 2008 19:14:48 +0000 http://www.juvenileinstructor.org/b-h-roberts-and-pragmatism-part-iii-on-william-james-and-mormonism/#comment-3204 Clark, my comment was partly tongue-in-cheek (and a light-hearted reference to our discussion at the Wasp yesterday). I can assure you, though, that the project does not have as its goal, "Let's get these documents published to help our buddies at FARMS defend the church and refute those antis' arguments!" I imagine apologists will appreciate and find the volumes useful for their purposes, but that's not the project's aim. Clark, my comment was partly tongue-in-cheek (and a light-hearted reference to our discussion at the Wasp yesterday). I can assure you, though, that the project does not have as its goal, “Let’s get these documents published to help our buddies at FARMS defend the church and refute those antis’ arguments!” I imagine apologists will appreciate and find the volumes useful for their purposes, but that’s not the project’s aim.

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